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Who is MVP of the NBA for the 2008-09 season? |
Chris Bosh |
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Kobe Bryant |
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Tim Duncan |
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Dwight Howard |
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LeBron James |
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87% |
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Dirk Nowitzki |
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Chris Paul |
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6% |
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Dwyane Wade |
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other1 |
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Mountain
Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Posts: 1527
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Feb, is an odd time to peak on "x". You'd want to do it in April-May. But maybe one or more of these guys still has more left?
By the crude measure of x Kobe caught LBJ in Feb but Wade passed them both? What would other somewhat more precise metrics show? |
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Mike G
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 3608 Location: Hendersonville, NC
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Kobe has been at his best since January. 'x' and other rates aren't cumulative, but specific to that month. It's more relevant within a player's season trajectory than it is to compare the players.
Since Jan, the Lakers have allowed 102.7 PPG, and Kobe has scored 32.2/36.
LeBron's 29.1 pts/36 are with Cavs opponents getting 89.6 PPG; so you could say:
- Kobe's Pts are inflated (relative) to LeBron's by a factor of 1027/896 = 1.146
- On the Lakers (or if Cle ran such that they gave up 103 ppg), LeBron would average 1.146*29.1 = 33.4 Pts/36 , for Feb/Mar.
This one adjustment adds 4.3 to LBJ's x number, and now they're not so close.
It's twice as much work to look all this up (team monthly splits), so I haven't. _________________ `
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Mountain
Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Posts: 1527
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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I thought in an MVP thread that x or whatever would also be intended to help with the comparison between players. Pace or opponent scoring adjusted would be more work but also more helpful; but your call. |
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bastillon
Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 55
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Can we have a new pool ? Things have changed a little bit, but votes are already given. |
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Mike G
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 3608 Location: Hendersonville, NC
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Despite some wavering, early APBRMetrics opinions closely matched MVP voters' actions.
Checking for more definitive MVP voting in recent seasons: Code: | year MVP %share
2009 LeBron James .969
2008 Kobe Bryant .877
2007 Dirk Nowitzki .882
2006 Steve Nash .739
2005 Steve Nash .839
2004 Kevin Garnett .991 |
from excellent pages like this one:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.html#mvp _________________ `
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erivera7
Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 185 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Congrats to LeBron. He had a special year. Nearly every metric available had him #1 (1 year adj. plus/minus, eWins, net plus/minus, PER, WARP, Win Shares, etc). _________________ @erivera7
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Ben
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 266 Location: Iowa City
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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erivera7 wrote: | Congrats to LeBron. He had a special year. Nearly every metric available had him #1 (1 year adj. plus/minus, eWins, net plus/minus, PER, WARP, Win Shares, etc). |
Nitpick - D Wade had #1 in 1 year adj. plus/minus. Lebron did have #1 in statistical plus/minus and 2 year adjusted. |
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erivera7
Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 185 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ben wrote: | erivera7 wrote: | Congrats to LeBron. He had a special year. Nearly every metric available had him #1 (1 year adj. plus/minus, eWins, net plus/minus, PER, WARP, Win Shares, etc). |
Nitpick - D Wade had #1 in 1 year adj. plus/minus. Lebron did have #1 in statistical plus/minus and 2 year adjusted. |
Oh, I know .. I was just trying to be factual, not nitpick on purpose. _________________ @erivera7
I cover the Orlando Magic - Magic Basketball |
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