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[RocketsFan]

Sorry, guys, I forgot to set this up yesterday. Hope the loss of a day doesn't affect anyone. If so, we'll change the schedule to a week long starting on Tuesday at midnight.

Vote here for NBL players who retired by the end of 1945-46. Discussion is welcomed. I will edit this thread to track the voters and their selections. I will update every day. Once the voting is over, those enshrined will be placed in a separate thread. As I mentioned before, I would like to see people volunteer to write mini-biographies on the inductees.

The voting will read as such: Player Name, Votes (Number of Voters): Voter User Names

Voting:

Howie "Soup Cable 4 (6): Bobster, 94by50, RocketsFan, gabefarkas
Jack Ozburn 4 (6): Bobster, 94by50, RocketsFan, gabefarkas
Jewell Young 2 (6): Bobster, gabefarkas
Vince McGowan 1 (6): gabefarkas

[Bobster]

i think we need a list of players eligible to vote on first, so here you go, a listing of players who retired by the beginning of the BAA's first season in 1946-47 -

Ray Adams 1941
Scotty Armstrong 1942
Frank Baird 1942
Lou Barle 1943
Connie Mack Berry 1946
Paul Birch 1946
Howie Cable 1942
George Hesik 1942
George Hogan 1946
Otto Kolar 1942
Pat Linskey 1941
Vince McGowan 1945
Johnny Moir 1946
Bobby Neu 1946
Tommy Nisbet 1943
Paul Nowalk 1942
Jack Ozburn 1942
Dave Quabius 1943
Paul Sokody 1943
Joe Sotak 1941
Herm Witasek 1942
Tom Wukovits 1946
Jewell Young 1946
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Robert Bradley
Association for Professional Basketball Research
http://www.APBR.org

[Bobster]

of this groups jack ozburn of akron firestone sticks out since he was all-NBL 4 times [1937-38 to 1940-41] howie "soup" cable of akron firestone was all-NBL three times and jewell young of indianapolis was all-NBL 1st team twice so i'd be inclined to include them too. they all have modest stats by modern standards, but pretty good for their day both scoring about 10 points a games when the league leader usually varied from about 11 to 18 points a game.

there were some players who had relatively short pro careers like john wooden [who quit to become a high school coach] or ben stephens who were top quality players at the time but they don't meet our 4 season or 200 games played criteria [keeping in mind that nearly all the players of the early NBL had short careers because it wasn't a profitable way for a player to make a livelihood - many went on to coaching or other jobs].

and since i'd like to see some representation for the early NBL players i'll vote yes on ozburn, cable and young, no to the other candicates.
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Robert Bradley
Association for Professional Basketball Research
http://www.APBR.org

[94by50]

Robert, do you have a comprehensive list of the NBL's awards voting throughout that league's history?

[Bobster]

[94by50]

Thank you. It will be a good supplement to what's in the database.

[Bobster]

All-NBL Players by Year

1937-38
First Team
Leroy Edwards, Osh
Scott Armstrong, FtW
John Wooden, Whit
Charlie Shipp, AkG
Chuck Bloedorn, AkG

Second Team
Soup Cable, AkF
Jack Ozburn, AkF
Bob Kessler, Inds
Vince McGowan, Whit
Bart Quinn, FtW

1938-39
First Team
Paul Birch, Pitt
Leroy Edwards, Osh
John Sines, Inds
Jerry Bush, AkF
Soup Cable, AkF

Second Team
Jack Ozburn, AkF
Johnny Moir, AkF
Jewell Young, Inds
Chuck Bloedorn, AkG
Charlie Shipp, AkG

1939-40
First Team
Ben Stephens, AkG
Wibs Kautz, Chi
Leroy Edwards, Osh
Charlie Shipp, Osh
Soup Cable, AkF

Second Team
Jack Ozburn, AkF
Ernie Andres, Ind
Rube Lautenschlanger, Shb
Otto Kolar, Shb
Nat Frankel, Det

1940-41
First Team
Ben Stephens, AkG
Ed Sadowski, Det
Buddy Jeannette, Det
Leroy Edwards, Osh
Charlie Shipp, Osh
Jack Ozburn, AkF

Second Team
Wibs Kautz, Chi
Bill Hapac, Chi
Ralph Vaughn, Chi
John Pelkington, AkG
Bob Calihan, Det
Bob Neu, Hamm

1941-42
First Team
Chuck Chuckovits, Tol
Ben Stephens, AkG
Leroy Edwards, Osh
Bobby McDermott, FtW
Charlie Shipp, Osh

Second Team
Ralph Vaughn, Chi
Jewell Young, Inds
Ed Danker, Shb
Herm Schaefer, FtW
George Glamack, AkG

1942-43
First Team
Ralph Vaughn, Osh
Paul Armstrong, FtW
Ed Danker, Shb
Bobby McDermott, FtW
Charlie Shipp, Osh

Second Team
Sonny Boswell, Chi
Buddy Jeannette, Shb
Leroy Edwards, Osh
Ken Suesens, Shb
Jerry Bush, FtW

1943-44
First Team
Mel Riebe, Clev
Clint Wagner, Osh
Ed Danker, Shb
Bobby McDermott, FtW
Buddy Jeannette, FtW

Second Team
Rube Lautenschlanger, Shb
Jerry Bush, FtW
John Pelkington, FtW
Charlie Shipp, Osh
Ken Suesens, Shb

1944-45
First Team
Mel Reibe, Clev
Stan Patrick, Chi
Leroy Edwards, Osh
Bobby McDermott, FtW
Buddy Jeannette, FtW

Second Team
Dick Triptow, Chi
Ed Danker, Shb
John Pelkington, FtW
Jerry Bush, FtW
Huck Hartman, Pitt

1945-46
First Team
Bob Carpenter, Osh
Red Holzman, Rch

George Glamack, Rch
Ed Danker, Shb
Buddy Jeannette, FtW
Bobby McDermott, FtW

Second Team
Mike Novak, Shb
Jerry Stiener, Inds
Bob Calihan, Chi
Leroy Edwards, Oah
Frank Baumholtz, Youn
Al Cervi, Rch

1946-47
First Team
Al Cervi, Rch
Bob Davies, Rch
George Mikan, ChiA
Fred Lewis, Shb
Bobby McDermott, ChiA

Second Team
Bob Carpenter, Osh
Bob Calihan, ChiA
Arnie Risen, Inds
Red Holzman, Rch
Hal Tidrick, Tol

1947-48
First Team
Jim Pollard, Mpls
Marko Todorovich, Shb
George Mikan, Mpls
Red Holzman, Rch
Al Cervi, Rch

Second Team
Bob Calihan, Flin
Bob Davies, Rch
Don Otten, TriC
Frank Brian, And
Bobby McDermott, TriC

1948-49
First Team
Gene Englund, Osh
Dick Mehen, Wat
Don Otten, TriC
Frank Brian, And
Al Cervi, Syr

Second Team
Stan Von Nieda, TriC
Marko Todorovich, Shb
Ward Gibson, TriC
Bill Closs, And
Ralph Johnson, And
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Robert Bradley
Association for Professional Basketball Research
http://www.APBR.org

[Bobster]

NBL Most Valuable Player

1939-40 - Leroy Edwards, Osh
1940-41 - Ben Stephens, AkG
1941-42 - Chuck Chuckovits, Tol
1942-43 - Bobby McDermott, FtW
1943-44 - Bobby McDermott, FtW
1944-45 - Bobby McDermott, FtW
1945-46 - Bobby McDermott, FtW
1946-47 - Bob Davies, Rch
1947-48 - George Mikan, Mpls
1948-49 - Don Otten, TriC


NBL Rookie of the Year

1937-38 - Bob Kessler, Ind
1938-39 - Jewell Young, Ind
1939-40 - Ben Stephens, AkG
1940-41 - Ed Sadowski, Inds
1941-42 - George Glamack, AkG
1942-43 - Ken Buehler, Shb
1943-44 - Mel Reibe, Clev
1944-45 - Stan Patrick, Chi
1945-46 - Red Holzman, Rch
1946-47 - Fred Lewis, Shb
1947-48 - Marko Todorovich, Shb
1948-49 - Dolph Schayes, Syr


NBL Coach of the Year

1937-38 - Cliff Byers, AkG
1938-39 - Paul Sheeks, AkF
1939-40 - Paul Sheeks, AkF
1940-41 - George Hotchkiss, Osh
1941-42 - Lon Darling, Osh
1942-43 - Carl Roth, Shb
1943-44 - Bobby McDermott, FtW
1944-45 - Bobby McDermott, FtW
1945-46 - Les Harrison, Rch
1946-47 - Lon Darling, Osh
1947-48 - Murray Mendehall, And
1948-49 - Al Cervi, Syr
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Robert Bradley
Association for Professional Basketball Research
http://www.APBR.org

[RocketsFan]

Two points: Remember to bold your picks, and if you think nobody from the class belongs, vote nobody like so, so I will know you have voted.

[caperry]

My knowledge of the pre-1947 NBL is not comprehensive, so I based my votes on the supplied all-league and most valuable player lists. I created a rating system - A player earned 1 pt for each MVP, 2 pts for each All-League first team, and 1 pt for each All-League second team. I set the cutoff for voting at 12 points or more (an arbritrary number, but one i felt was the fairest). Using this criteria, I cast votes for Bobby McDermott, Charlie Shipp, and Leroy Edwards.

[caperry]

I just realized that none of the three players I voted for were deemed eligible for this election. Therefore, I guess my vote changes to none.

[gabefarkas]

[94by50]

Jack Ozburn
Howie "Soup" Cable

[RocketsFan]

[RocketsFan]

Updated. My votes are for Ozburn and Cable.