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basketballvalue
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 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:35 am Post subject: Off topic: World Cup and Soccer Metrics |
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A couple people I know have asked me, what are the advanced analytic sites for soccer? I think they're curious to see things like Ken Pomeroy's rankings of the teams (and others) as opposed to individual players.
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Aaron
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jsill
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| I met someone named Howard Hamilton at the MIT conference who has a site called Soccermetrics. |
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Kevin Pelton
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Jon Nichols
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Both of those links are very impressive. |
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thickbutcurious
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http://vorosmccracken.com/ has international soccer ratings and world cup previews plus explanation of some of his methodology.
He's known in baseball for DIPS,which many baseball stat fans will know of. |
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basketballvalue
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holymoly
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The issue with Football (soccer) analytics is the lack of publically available data. The standard 'boxscore' is Appearance, minutes, goals, assists, red/yellow cards...and thats it! Clubs subscribe to datasets from 3rd party suppliers but leagues do not publish data for the masses...hence no apbrmetrics type forum for football...yet!
I recommend you read the book ‘soccermetrics’ written by guys based here in London, England.
Other rating sites;
http://www.castrolfootball.com/rankings
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stareagle
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Read the book "Inverting The Pyramid" by Jonathan Wilson, an English journalist. A big chunk of the book is the revolution in soccer strategy started by a group in Kiev that used intense statistical analysis to determine the ideal way to play. |
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philrl
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| While most of the year, Gabriel Desjardins posts some fabulous hockey analysis, right now he has some amazing soccer stuff up on his blog: http://www.behindthenethockey.com/ |
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back2newbelf
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the fact that he calls FC Bayern München an outlier makes this a horrible analysis in my eyes. For the last ~20 years they would have always been on the far right and at the top on his graph.
He would probably have different results if he chose a different league (Spain, England) or simply a different year in Germany |
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