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Qscience



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:05 am    Post subject: 2009 NBA DRAFT - QSE ver7.0 Reply with quote

I thought maybe I would place the QSE here for review:

1 Blake Griffin Oklahoma Iso-PF - O 222.6
2 James Harden Arizona State SG - Iso 211.1
3 Ty Lawson North Carolina TruePointG 187.1
4 Hasheem Thabeet Connecticut iso -Center 174.2
5 Terrence Williams Louisville CG - Def 164.9
6 Tyreke Evans Memphis CG - Def 161.0
7 Stephen Curry Davidson SG - Iso 160.5
8 Earl Clark Louisville SF - Def 143.1
9 Demar DeRozan USC Def-Wing -SF 127.8
10 B.J. Mullens Ohio State Center -high 118.8
11 DeJuan Blair Pittsburgh Iso-PF - O 112.7
12 Jordan Hill Arizona PF - Def 109.9
13 James Anderson Oklahoma State SG - Iso 105.1
14 Jonny Flynn Syracuse Pg >phys 103.9
15 Wayne Ellington North Carolina SG>neg 102.2
16 Jeff Pendergraph Arizona State PF 101.9
17 Gerald Henderson Duke Def-Wing -SF 98.6
18 Tyler Hansbrough North Carolina PF -wing 94.8
19 Derrick Brown Xavier SF - Iso 93.6
20 Jrue Holiday UCLA CG - Def 89.5
21 Nick Calathes Fr, 6-5 200(2008) Florida Pg = Paint 88.9
22 Chase Budinger Arizona SF - Range 88.7
23 Eric Maynor Virginia Commonwealth PG 88.4
24 Darren Collison So, 6-1(2007) UCLA TruePointG 86.4
25 Marcus Thornton LSU SG - Iso 85.6
26 Jodie Meeks Kentucky SG - role 82.3
27 Jeff Teague Wake Forest SG - Iso 79.9
28 Dante Cunningham Villanova SF - Def 77.0
29 Danny Green North Carolina Def-Wing -SF 75.8
30 Antonio Anderson Sr, Memphis CG - Def 74.7
31 DeMarre Carroll Missouri SF - paint 74.0
32 Jerel McNeal Marquette Pg >phys 72.5
33 Jerome Jordan Tulsa Center 71.1
34 Shawn Taggart Memphis Iso-PF - O 69.8
35 Josh Heytvelt Gonzaga IC/IPF 68.9
36 James Johnson Wake Forest SF - paint 68.7
37 Ahmad Nivins Saint Joseph's PF 68.4
38 Daniel Hackett USC CG - Def 68.2
39 Luke Nevill Utah Center 67.6
40 Sam Young Pittsburgh Def-Wing -SF 67.4
41 Austin Daye Gonzaga Def-Wing -SF 66.8
42 Robert Dozier Memphis Iso-PF - O 65.6
43 DaJuan Summers Georgetown IC/IPF 64.2
44 Patrick Mills Saint Mary's Pg >phys 64.1
45 Jon Brockman Washington PF - Def 63.0
46 Jeff Adrien Connecticut SF - paint 62.8
47 Alex Ruoff West Virginia Pg >phys 62.6
48 Dionte Christmas Temple SG>neg 62.2
49 Leo Lyons Missouri PF 61.8
50 Luke Harangody Notre Dame IC/IPF 61.4
51 Goran Suton Michigan State PF - Def 60.5
52 Wesley Matthews Marquette SF - paint 59.2
53 John Bryant Santa Clara Center 56.2
54 Micah Downs Gonzaga SG 56.2
55 Ibrahima Thomas Oklahoma State Center - Def 55.8
56 Jermaine Taylor UCF SG>neg 55.1
57 A.D. Vassallo Virginia Tech SG - role 54.8
58 Brandon Costner Fr, 6-9 North Carolina State IC/IPF 54.7
59 Taj Gibson USC Per/Block 54.5
60 Paul Harris Syracuse Def-Wing -SF 54.5
61 Byron Eaton Oklahoma State Pg >phys 54.2
62 A.J. Price Connecticut Pg >phys 53.9
63 Lester Hudson Tennessee-Martin Pg >phys 53.8
64 Charles Little Dayton SF - paint 53.3
65 Toney Douglas Florida State SG>neg 50.8
66 Connor Atchley Texas IC/IPF 50.3
67 Josh Carter , 6-7 Texas A&M SG - role 49.7
68 Sherron Collins Kansas Pg >phys 49.3
69 Jeff Allen Virginia Tech PF - Def 49.3
70 Aaron Jackson Duquesne Pg >phys 49.3
71 Lee Cummard Brigham Young SG>neg 48.9
72 JaMychal Green Alabama Per/Block 48.2
73 Arinze Onuaku Syracuse PF - Def 47.8
74 Tyrese Rice So, 6-0 Boston College Pg >phys 47.4
75 Ben Woodside North Dakota State Pg >phys 47.2
76 Paul Delany UAB sg 46.9
77 Patrick Beverley Fr, 6-1 Arkansas CG - Def 46.8
78 Kyle Spain San Diego State Def-Wing -SF 46.7
79 Curtis Jerrells Baylor Pg >phys 46.4
80 Dominic James So, 5-11(2007) Marquette Pg >phys 46.0
81 Chinemelu Elonu Texas A&M Iso-PF 45.7
82 Jeremy Pargo jr, 6-2, 208 Gonzaga Pg >phys 45.4
83 Chas McFarland Wake Forest PF - Def 44.9
84 Lawrence Hill So, 6-8 Stanford Def-Wing -SF 44.4
85 Gary Wilkinson Utah State PF -wing 43.7
86 Joe Krabbenhoft Wisconsin PF - Def 43.4
87 Ronald Steele So, 6-3 (2006) Alabama Pg >phys 43.4
88 Lorrenzo Wade San Diego State Def-Wing-SG 43.3
89 Michael Bramos Miami (OH) SG - role 42.4
90 Aron Baynes Washington State Center -high 42.2
91 Stefon Jackson UTEP SG - role 41.7
92 Eric Devendorf Syracuse SG - role 41.7
93 Jack McClinton Miami (FL) SG>neg 40.5
94 Robert Vaden UAB SG - role 40.5
95 Russell Robinson Sr, 6-2, 198 Kansas Pg >phys 40.4
96 Garrett Temple LSU Pg >phys 40.0
97 Lorrenzo Wade Jr, 6-6 San Diego State ComboGuard 39.6
98 David Padgett Jr, 7-0, 240 Louisville Center -high 39.5
99 Tony Gaffney Massachusetts SF - paint 39.3
100 Tasheed Carr Saint Joseph's Pg >phys 39.2
101 Hamady N'Diaye Rutgers Per/Block 39.1
102 Alade Aminu Georgia Tech PF - Def 39.0
103 Jeremy Chappell Robert Morris SG - role 38.7
104 Bryan Davis Texas A&M PF - Def 38.2
105 Alfred Aboya UCLA PF - Def 38.1
106 Korvotney Barber Auburn SF - Def 38.1
107 Gavin Grant Jr, 6-8 North Carolina State SG - role 38.1
108 Chester Frazier Soph, 6-2 Illinois Pg = Paint 37.8
109 Chris Johnson LSU Per/Block 37.8
110 Damian Johnson Minnesota SF - paint 36.9
111 Josh Shipp So, 6-5 UCLA SG - role 36.2
112 Dior Lowhorn San Francisco SF - paint 36.0
113 Kyle McAlarney Notre Dame Pg >phys 35.3
114 Deonta Vaughn Cincinnati Pg >phys 34.8
115 Ryan Toolson Utah Valley SG - role 34.6
116 Weyinmi Efejuku Providence SG - role 34.3
117 Landon Milbourne Maryland SF - paint 33.3
118 Edwin Ubiles Siena SF - paint 33.3
119 Chris Lowe Massachusetts Pg >phys 32.9
120 Vernon Goodridge La Salle Per/Block 32.4
121 Jeremy Hazell Seton Hall SG - role 32.1
122 Trent Meacham Illinois Pg >phys 32.0
123 Chamberlain Oguchi Illinois State SG - role 31.2
124 Taylor Rochestie Washington State Pg >phys 30.5
125 Lewis Clinch Georgia Tech SG - role 30.4
126 Rob Diggs George Washington Per/Block 30.4
127 Tiki Mayben Binghamton Pg >phys 30.2
128 Perry Stevenson Kentucky Per/Block 30.2
129 Marquise Kately Morgan State SG - role 30.0
130 Trevon Hughes Wisconsin SG - role 29.8
131 Kenny Hasbrouck Siena SG - role 29.6
132 Jeremy Mayfield Fr, 6-10 UAB PF - Def 29.4
133 Jeremy Wise Southern Miss Pg >phys 29.2
134 Tommie Liddell So, 6-4 Saint Louis SG - role 28.2
135 Ron Steele Alabama Pg >phys 27.5
136 Robert Mitchell Seton Hall SG - role 27.1
137 Bamba Fall So, 7-1 Southern Methodist Per/Block 27.0
138 Edgar Sosa Fr, 6-1 Louisville Pg >phys 27.0
139 Courtney Fells So, 6-5 North Carolina State SG - role 26.2
140 Keith Cothran Rhode Island SG - role 26.0
141 Uche Echefu So, 6-9 Florida State PF - Def 25.7
142 Wink Adams UNLV Pg >phys 25.5
143 Ramar Smith 6-2 Tennessee CG - Def 24.9
144 Taquan Dean --, -- Louisville Pg >phys 23.3
145 JR Inman So, 6-9 Rutgers PF - Def 23.3
146 Jeremis Smith Jr, 6-8 Georgia Tech SG - role 23.2
147 A.J. Abrams Texas Pg >phys 22.9
148 Juan Palacios Jr, 6-8 Louisville IC/IPF 22.6
149 Mike Mercer South Florida SG - role 21.9
150 Derrick Low Sr, 6-2 Washington State SG - role 20.7
151 Curtis Jerrells So, 6-1 Baylor Pg >phys 20.6
152 Brian Randle So, 6-8 Illinois Def-Wing -SF 20.3
153 Marcus Johnson Fr, 6-3 Dayton SG - role 16.8
154 Justin Hare Fr, 6-3 Belmont SG - role 13.3
155 Joey Henley Fr, 6-5 Sacred Heart Def-Wing -SF 13.1
156 Aaron Bruce Jr, 6-3 Baylor SG - role 11.7
157 Rob McKiver 6-3, 190 Houston SG - role 10.9


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Williams, DeRozan and Mullens seem rated high to me for their performance and for what I expect will happen but I haven't studied them closely. Thabeet high compared to what I expect in the NBA. Hansbrough might be low compared to what he actually does and I'd say certainly low compared to what he did in college.

Most of the rest of the top 20 looks pretty decent but that doesn't take an accurate analytic method.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do the numbers keep changing?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

supersub15 wrote:
Why do the numbers keep changing?


The biggest problem is getting inside information on players that did not attend the combine. Usually a few days before the draft I get some leaked information about particular things I ask for. When the team knows they will not draft that player usually I get a few tidbits.
Same holds true about a month later in Vegas, I will get a few more tidbits that will help out even though the draft is over it couldve possible helped a player by a few spots. Beyond that I will say that what i copied and pasted is the final.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Rosters soon to be out
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this point your 2010 evaluations show only 4 guys over 110, fewer than any year you've listed. Part of this I assume is that the incoming freshman are not included because they do not yet have college stats to evaluate and I'd guess that the returning players show improvement over last season. But in your view how does this upcoming draft compare to previous classes? Do you recall or have evaluation numbers for them at a similar point in time?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here were the updated totals which are not even on the website. I did not change them because I simply was doing a lot of traveling from Vegas Summer Leagues to a couple private meetings hoping to land a future consultant position.
Code:
rank
player
team
pos
Intangible
Evaluation
1
Evan Turner
Ohio State
CG - Def
10.2
162.0
2
Greg Monroe
Georgetown
PF
3.5
157.5
3
Manny Harris
Michigan
SG - Iso
13.7
151.0
4
Kalin Lucas
Michigan State
ComboGuard
9.1
127.6
5
Devin Ebanks
West Virginia
SF - Def
8.4
106.2
6
Willie Warren
Oklahoma
SG>neg
1.8
97.7
7
Cole Aldrich
Kansas
iso -Center
-3.3
95.7
8
D.J. Kennedy
St. John's
CG - Def
6.3
95.3
9
Omar Samhan
Saint Mary's
iso -Center
-4.2
94.5
10
Al-Farouq Aminu
Wake Forest
SF - Def
0.8
93.8
11
Patrick Patterson
Kentucky
PF
1.1
92.4
12
Demetri McCamey
Illinois
Pg = Paint
-1.2
88.3
13
Gordon Hayward
Butler
SF - Range
0.3
87.3
14
Mike Davis
Illinois
Per/Block
2.5
84.4
15
Trevor Booker
Clemson
Iso-PF
-1.8
83.2
16
Robbie Hummel
Purdue
SF - Def
-1.1
80.5
17
Craig Brackins
Iowa State
IC/IPF
2.6
79.1
18
Andrew Ogilvy 7-0 240
Vanderbilt
iso - Center - o
-8.0
77.3
19
K.C. Rivers So, 6-5
Clemson
CG - Def - r
0.3
75.6
20
Terrico White
Mississippi
SG - role
-3.3
74.5
21
Malcolm Delaney
Virginia Tech
SG - Iso
3.4
74.0
22
Damion James So, 6-7
Texas
Defense-only
3.3
73.7
23
Jarvis Varnado
Mississippi State
Defense-only
-3.8
73.6
24
Chris Singleton
Florida State
Defense-only
-5.9
73.2
25
Tyler Smith
Tennessee
ComboGuard
4.1
73.2
26
Matt Bouldin
Gonzaga
CG - Def
-2.2
72.5
27
Kenneth Faried
Morehead State
Defense-only
2.8
72.2
28
Dominique Jones
South Florida
ComboGuard
-2.1
72.2
29
Diamon Simpson
Saint Mary's
Defense-only
-2.9
70.6
30
JaJuan Johnson
Purdue
Per/Block
2.6
70.0
31
Marqus Blakely
Vermont
SF - Def
-1.1
69.8
32
Matt Howard
Butler
IC/IPF
-6.1
68.8
33
Stanley Robinson
Connecticut
SF - Def
-8.9
68.0
34
Chris Kramer
Purdue
Defense-only
-10.1
67.0
35
Kyle Singler
Duke
SF - Iso
-2.8
66.7
36
Ryan Thompson
Rider
SG - role
-0.2
66.6
37
Mike Tisdale
Illinois
Center -high
-9.0
66.1
38
Chris Wright
Georgetown
ComboGuard
-6.0
65.5
39
Ekpe Udoh Fr, 6-10
Michigan
Defense-only
-18.3
63.9
40
Ben McCauley So, 6-10
North Carolina State
PF - Def
-7.2
63.6
41
Sylven Landesberg
Virginia
Def-Wing-SG
0.6
62.2
42
Samardo Samuels
Louisville
PF
-1.2
62.0
43
Michael Dunigan
Oregon
3pt-Specialist
-20.6
61.8
44
Eric Hayes 6-4 195
Maryland
Pg >phys
-7.8
61.6
45
Solomon Alabi
Florida State
Defense-only
-9.5
61.3
46
Damian Saunders
Duquesne
Defense-only
-6.1
60.4
47
Wayne Chism
Tennessee
IC/IPF
-14.3
60.2
48
Larry Sanders
Virginia Commonwealth
Defense-only
-5.4
60.0
49
Jon Scheyer
Duke
3pt-Specialist
-5.6
58.0
50
Klay Thompson
Washington State
3pt-Specialist
-3.5
58.0
51
Gani Lawal
Georgia Tech
Defense-only
-5.0
57.9
52
Mark Payne
UC Davis
Pg >phys
-12.0
57.5
53
Dallas Lauderdale
Ohio State
PF - Def
-12.0
57.3
54
Da'Sean Butler
West Virginia
SF - paint
-3.5
57.3
55
Austin Freeman
Georgetown
ComboGuard
-6.2
57.2
56
Kevin Coble
Northwestern
SF - Range
-13.4
56.9
57
Iman Shumpert
Georgia Tech
Defense-only
-1.2
56.9
58
Jon Diebler
Ohio State
3pt-Specialist
-11.4
56.5
59
Scottie Reynolds
Villanova
Pg >phys
-4.4
55.1
60
Terrence Oglesby
Clemson
3pt-Specialist
-7.2
55.0
61
Wayne Chism So, 6-9, 245
Tennessee
Defense-only
-13.4
54.9
62
Jon Scheyer So, 6-5
Duke
3pt-Specialist
1.3
54.6
63
Jonathan Tavernari
Brigham Young
Defense-only
-4.4
54.1
64
Kemba Walker
Connecticut
CG - Def
-3.6
54.1
65
Damian Johnson
Minnesota
Defense-only
-11.3
54.0
66
Luke Babbitt
Nevada
SF - Range
-4.3
54.0
67
Ravern Johnson
Mississippi State
3pt-Specialist
-11.2
53.8
68
Obi Muonelo
Oklahoma State
SG - role
-2.2
53.3
69
Talor Battle
Penn State
Pg = Paint
-22.7
53.3
70
Josh Alexander So, 6-4
Stephen F. Austin
3pt-Specialist
-7.3
53.0
71
Lazar Hayward
Marquette
SG - role
-5.7
52.9
72
Brandon Ewing
Wyoming
Pg >phys
-4.9
52.4
73
Al Nolen 6-1 180
Minnesota
Defense-only
3.2
52.4
74
Greg Paulus jr, 6-2
Duke
3pt-Specialist
-1.1
52.1
75
E'Twaun Moore
Purdue
Defense-only
-6.8
52.0
76
Deon Thompson
North Carolina
Defense-only
-10.5
51.5
77
Paul George
Fresno State
Defense-only
0.1
51.5
78
Chandler Parsons
Florida
Def-Wing -SF
-12.7
51.2
79
Greivis Vasquez
Maryland
Pg=Playmaker
-9.1
51.2
80
Rakim Sanders
Boston College
Defense-only
-5.1
50.7
81
Cory Higgins
Colorado
Def-Wing-SG
0.3
50.6
82
Gerald Lee
Old Dominion
PF -wing
-5.4
50.6
83
DeShawn Sims
Michigan
PF - Def
-10.4
50.1
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qscience wrote:
Here were the updated totals which are not even on the website. I did not change them because I simply was doing a lot of traveling from Vegas Summer Leagues to a couple private meetings hoping to land a future consultant position.

Is this in addition to your working "with a couple NBA teams front office personnel" in which you consult with them "on many things"? I must say, I envy your time management skills.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gabefarkas wrote:
Qscience wrote:
Here were the updated totals which are not even on the website. I did not change them because I simply was doing a lot of traveling from Vegas Summer Leagues to a couple private meetings hoping to land a future consultant position.

Is this in addition to your working "with a couple NBA teams front office personnel" in which you consult with them "on many things"? I must say, I envy your time management skills.


Gabe,
I have something I will send you privately hopefully stop your skepticism


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, the tone of some of these posts are pretty surprising. Keep up the good work Qscience.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

battaile wrote:
Wow, the tone of some of these posts are pretty surprising. Keep up the good work Qscience.


Well Battaile to be honest Gabe I think is defending this forum to an extent from people that come in and make claims without backing them up in public. I can respect that but also at the same point I was invited to the forums and asked to explain some of the things that I have done.
At that point, all I could say is that I am working with some front office people and that alot of what I have done was asked to be kept confidential.
In the end it leaves me on an island if someone gets aggressive and pushes for answers. Without divulging any confidential information I have possibly found a way to show him some information that "may" take away some of the skepticism without sharing confidential information.
If you go through the forum post it is littered with people that have had an influence on APBR or an NBA team in some way or another.
Besides the fact there are a ton of people with incredible websites that I cannot even imagine how long it took to make or what it takes to maintain. The more people that can succeed in this field the more credibility it will give to the field.
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