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danielcz
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 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: Beijing 2008 - +/- stats |
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Hello,
I would like to present some +/- data for the USA team from the first stage of the Olympic Games 2008.
Right now I didn't have time to calculate possesions, so below there are raw +/- numbers and pro-rated for 40 minutes - still I think worth a look.
Below are raw number - when the player was on and off the court:
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ON COURT OFF COURT
PLAYER MIN OFF DEF OFF DEF +/-
WADE Dwyane 18,3 257 145 258 209 112
BOSH Chris 15,7 231 125 284 229 106
PAUL Chris 22,0 300 195 215 159 105
JAMES Lebron 23,5 311 207 204 147 104
WILLIAMS Deron 20,7 263 176 252 178 87
BRYANT Kobe 20,8 266 194 249 160 72
ANTHONY Carmelo 17,5 215 150 300 204 65
HOWARD Dwight 16,5 192 144 323 210 48
KIDD Jason 13,0 159 117 356 237 42
PRINCE Tayshaun 12,7 144 122 371 232 22
REDD Michael 11,5 135 113 380 241 22
BOOZER Carlos 7,9 102 82 413 272 20
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Offense per 40 minutes when the player was on the court:
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PLAYER MINUTES OFF per 40
BOSH Chris 15,7 118
WADE Dwyane 18,3 112
PAUL Chris 22,0 109
JAMES Lebron 23,5 106
BOOZER Carlos 7,9 103
BRYANT Kobe 20,8 102
WILLIAMS Deron 20,7 102
KIDD Jason 13,0 98
ANTHONY Carmelo 17,5 98
REDD Michael 11,5 94
HOWARD Dwight 16,5 93
PRINCE Tayshaun 12,7 91
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Defense per 40 minutes when the player was on the court:
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PLAYER MINUTES DEF per 40
WADE Dwyane 18,3 63
BOSH Chris 15,7 64
WILLIAMS Deron 20,7 68
ANTHONY Carmelo 17,5 69
HOWARD Dwight 16,5 70
JAMES Lebron 23,5 70
PAUL Chris 22,0 71
KIDD Jason 13,0 72
BRYANT Kobe 20,8 74
PRINCE Tayshaun 12,7 77
REDD Michael 11,5 79
BOOZER Carlos 7,9 83
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And net per 40 minutes:
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ON COURT OFF COURT NET
PLAYER MIN +/- OFF/40 DEF/40 NET/40 OFF/40 DEF/40 NET/40 NET
BOSH Chris 15,7 106 118 64 54 93 75 18 36
WADE Dwyane 18,3 112 112 63 49 95 77 18 31
PAUL Chris 22,0 105 109 71 38 95 70 25 13
JAMES Lebron 23,5 104 106 70 35 99 71 28 8
WILLIAMS Deron 20,7 87 102 68 34 104 74 31 3
ANTHONY Carmelo 17,5 65 98 69 30 107 73 34 -4
KIDD Jason 13,0 42 98 72 26 106 70 35 -9
BRYANT Kobe 20,8 72 102 74 28 104 67 37 -10
BOOZER Carlos 7,9 20 103 83 20 103 68 35 -15
HOWARD Dwight 16,5 48 93 70 23 110 71 38 -15
REDD Michael 11,5 22 94 79 15 107 68 39 -24
PRINCE Tayshaun 12,7 22 91 77 14 109 68 41 -27
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After watching most of games I was counting that D.Wade will have the highest impact - and he nearly has. Still was a bit surprised with C. Bosh stats.
Below are game-by-game C.Bosh logs. In every game team has played much better on offense with him on the floor and not worse on defensive end.
Chris Bosh:
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ON COURT OFF COURT ON COURT OFF COURT NET
OPPONENT MINUTES OFF DEF OFF DEF OFF/40 DEF/40 OFF/40 DEF/40 OFF/40 DEF/40
vs CHN 13,1 43 21 58 49 132 64 86 73 46 8
vs ANG 14,1 43 18 54 58 122 51 84 90 38 39
vs GRE 21,4 53 31 39 38 99 58 84 82 15 24
vs ESP 16,7 55 33 64 49 132 79 110 84 22 5
vs GER 13,1 37 22 69 35 113 67 103 52 10 -15
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Kobe Bryant:
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ON COURT OFF COURT ON COURT OFF COURT NET
OPPONENT MIN OFF DEF OFF DEF OFF/40 DEF/40 OFF/40 DEF/40 OFF/40 DEF/40
vs CHN 27,2 69 48 32 22 102 71 100 68 2 -2
vs ANG 17,6 45 35 52 41 102 79 93 73 9 -6
vs GRE 23,8 60 45 32 24 101 76 79 59 22 -16
vs ESP 16,4 42 32 77 50 102 78 131 85 -28 7
vs GER 19,3 50 34 56 23 104 71 108 44 -4 -26
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Dwyane Wade:
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ON COURT OFF COURT ON COURT OFF COURT NET
OPPONENT MIN OFF DEF OFF DEF OFF/40 DEF/40 OFF/40 DEF/40 OFF/40 DEF/40
vs CHN 20,0 53 32 48 38 106 64 96 76 10 12
vs ANG 15,8 49 22 48 54 124 56 79 89 45 33
vs GRE 19,8 46 31 46 38 93 63 91 75 2 13
vs ESP 18,8 58 39 61 43 124 83 115 81 9 -2
vs GER 17,1 51 21 55 36 120 49 96 63 24 13
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LeBron James:
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ON COURT OFF COURT ON COURT OFF COURT NET
OPPONENT MIN OFF DEF OFF DEF OFF/40 DEF/40 OFF/40 DEF/40 OFF/40 DEF/40
vs CHN 24,7 61 45 40 25 99 73 105 66 -6 -7
vs ANG 19,6 53 35 44 41 108 72 86 80 22 9
vs GRE 26,7 62 45 30 24 93 68 90 72 3 5
vs ESP 28,5 82 55 37 27 115 77 129 94 -13 17
vs GER 18,2 53 27 53 30 116 59 97 55 19 -4
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and Chris Paul:
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ON COURT OFF COURT ON COURT OFF COURT NET
OPPONENT MIN OFF DEF OFF DEF OFF/40 DEF/40 OFF/40 DEF/40 OFF/40 DEF/40
vs CHN 19,5 54 34 47 36 111 70 92 70 19 1
vs ANG 21,4 59 35 38 41 111 66 82 88 29 22
vs GRE 25,6 53 50 39 19 83 78 108 53 -26 -25
vs ESP 23,5 78 48 41 34 133 82 99 82 34 0
vs GER 19,9 56 28 50 29 113 56 99 58 13 1
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EDIT: I went one more time through PbP from the official site and solved some small issues with order of plays.
It didn't have much impact (max. 5 units on accumulated raw +/- and small changes in player's order - still within one group), but right now I feel more steadfast with them :)
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Ilardi
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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This is great stuff. Two quick questions:
1) Will you be providing updates based on the quarter-, semi-, and final round games?
2) Do you have actual raw lineup data available? If so, it would be interesting to see how an adjusted plus-minus analysis might come out. (There are some folks on this forum, including yours truly, who could run it if you aren't up for it.)
By the way, I'm not at all surprised by Bosh's stellar showing in these plus-minus numbers - although, frankly, I expected his greatest impact to show up on the defensive end (he's been incredibly disruptive covering the pick-and-roll, and has led to countless easy transition baskets - which perhaps accounts for his surprisingly large offensive impact).
I suspect that adjusted +/- analyses would give a boost to Lebron, who's playing most of his minutes with other lower-rated starters, and would reduce the rating for Paul, who benefits from playing a large number of minutes with Wade and Bosh (the two best players through the first round of games). |
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Ed Küpfer
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Beijing 2008 - +/- stats |
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| danielcz wrote: | Hello,
I would like to present some +/- data for the USA team from the first stage of the Olympic Games 2008. |
Wow. Nice work.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Echoing the others, thanks for posting.
What jumps out to me is that for all the criticism Jason Kidd has taken for his play and particularly his reluctance to shoot, he hasn't hurt the USA all that much when he's been on the court. |
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danielcz
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Stats form the quarterfinal against Australia:
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PLAYER MINUTES +/- OFF/40 DEF/40 NET
ANTHONY Carmelo 19 25 127 74 53
BRYANT Kobe 25 31 121 72 49
JAMES Lebron 26 29 116 71 45
KIDD Jason 16 17 124 81 43
HOWARD Dwight 14 13 118 80 37
Team USA 200 31 116 85 31
WILLIAMS Deron 20 15 114 84 30
BOSH Chris 17 11 115 88 26
REDD Michael 9 5 117 93 23
PRINCE Tayshaun 13 7 108 87 21
WADE Dwyane 16 3 117 109 7
BOOZER Carlos 6 0 99 99 0
PAUL Chris 19 -1 104 106 -2
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So first of all, the group Kidd, Bryant, James, Anthony and Howard played in this game a little bit more together with success:
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OFF DEF +/-
32 17 15
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As for Wade - take a look at his stats with(out) Chris Paul in this game:
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OFF DEF +/-
Wade with Paul 32 35 -3
Wade no Paul 16 10 6
Paul no Wade 17 15 2
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and in all games so far:
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OFF DEF +/- OFF vs DEF
Wade with Paul 241 155 86 1,55
Wade no Paul 64 35 29 1,83
Paul no Wade 108 90 18 1,20
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So it seems Wade is playing much better and is keeping Paul's raw numbers also on a high level.
I will try to put some more stats before the semifinals - not only for the USA Team. |
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danielcz
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Ilardi wrote: | Two quick questions:
1) Will you be providing updates based on the quarter-, semi-, and final round games?
2) Do you have actual raw lineup data available? If so, it would be interesting to see how an adjusted plus-minus analysis might come out. (There are some folks on this forum, including yours truly, who could run it if you aren't up for it.)
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1) Yes
2) I will try to post it before the semifinals |
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Do you have these breakdowns for other teams? I'd be particularly interested in Spain and Argentina.
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| Now the real test begins. |
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danielcz
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: USA - Argentina semifinal |
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We are right after first 'competitive' game for the USA Team on the Beijing 2008 Olympics Tournament - the semifinal with Argentina. Maybe the final result gives us different perception, but the game was not out of reach for the Argentinians till the last minutes. Right after the USA's run in the 1st quarter up to 21-4, they were leading at most by 21 points and as low as 6 points. Also keep in mind, that Manu played only 6 minutes.
In this segment I will try to dissect this game - I will split it into time frames and will give you a look at the performance of different lineups - using Play-by-play data.
1. TIME FRAME: 1Q 10:00 - 1Q 5:29
USA: Kidd, Bryant, Lebron, Anthony and Howard
ARG: Prigioni, Delfino, Ginobili, Scola, Oberto
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG
USA 9 2,17 7 77,8 33%
ARG 9 2,35 4 44,4 33%
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 10 10% 0% 30% 20% 40%
ARG 6 0% 0% 67% 0% 33%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 104% 11% 0% 11% 0%
ARG 96% 33% 0% 0% 11%
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First of all some of the abreviations:
POSS - number of posssesions
MIN - minutes 'on offense', so with the ball for particular team
PTS - points
EFFIC - PTS / POSS, so Offensive Efficiency
SHOT ATTEMPTS:
FT - free throw attempts as possesions number, that means 3 free throws in one possesion is 1 FT Shot Attempt
FB - fast break attempts
INS - inside the paint attempts
OUT - outside the paint attempts
REB% is a sum of OFF and DEF REB %
AST% - % of assisted FG's
As for the other pct (To, Blk, Stl) - ratio of number of particular actions to possesions
As for this period - very low efficiency for both teams. USA has 4 more attempts to score but are not efficent - and that's mainly because 60% of their shots comes from outside. Argentina has more good inside attempts, but the presence of Dwight Howard is already felt - one block. Argentina has already 3 turnovers but no steal and fastbreak attempt for USA.
As for players, Delfino and Ginobili already 1-4 FG, Scola active with 4 rebounds, 2 points although already blocked by Howard.
In USA great parity as everyone, even J. Kidd has 2 shot attempts, also 3 rebounds by D. Howard
2. TIME FRAME: 1Q 5:29 - 1Q 1:55
USA: Paul, Wade, Bryant, Lebron, Bosh
ARG: Prigioni, Delfino, Ginobili (Nocioni), Scola, Oberto
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG
USA 8 1,15 14 175,0 150%
ARG 7 2,42 0 0,0 0%
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 8 25% 25% 13% 0% 38%
ARG 5 0% 0% 60% 0% 40%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 130% 0% 33% 0% 38%
ARG 70% 43% 0% 0% 0%
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Big run by USA Team: 14 -0 and the result is 21-4.
Very fast USA team with Paul for Kidd, Bosh for Howard and Wade for Anthony. Their average possesion lasts 8,5 sec, they have 3 steals and 2 succesful fastbreak attempts. Also 2-3 for 3 points, so this is great display of their offensive abilities. Argentina misses all 5 shot attempts, although 3 of them (Scola and Oberto) are from inside, so US is not missing Howard that much. Especially Oberto is pathethic with 3 turnovers so far.
Kobe with 7 points (3-4), Paul with 5 points (2-2), both with one steal and fastbreak points, so great pressure from them.
Ginobili is injured, still USA scored 11 straight points before it happened and 7 after. Nocioni comes in for Ginobili.
3. TIME FRAME: 1Q 1:55 - 2Q 8:07
A lot of different lineups for USA. First D. Williams comes for Kobe, then Anthony for LeBron (so D. Williams, Paul, Wade, Anthony and Bosh).
Oh, this is not a good defensive lineup - as evidenced by great ARG efficiency.
Then Kobe returns for Wade and at the end Howard checks in for Bosh.
Argentina plays with the same lineup.
After this period USA leads 34-18.
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG
USA 7 1,67 13 185,7 86%
ARG 9 2,15 14 155,6 90%
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 7 0% 0% 29% 14% 57%
ARG 7 29% 0% 14% 43% 14%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 150% 0% 29% 0% 0%
ARG 50% 0% 0% 0% 0%
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Oh, I haven't seen this watching the game live, but in this time zone both teams played exceptionally well on offense. Argentina stays with USA, especially with two additional possesions (end of the quarter and start of the next one).
USA are 5-7 from FG's (with Paul 2-2 but D. Williams 1-3). Argentina is 4-5 from FG's and 5-5 from FT's with Nocioni scoring 6 points. More than 50% of shots form the outside of the paint for both teams, but they are feeling it.
4. TIME FRAME: 2Q 8:07 - 2Q 4:11
There are first substitutions for Argentina (aside from Nocioni for injured Ginobili):
ARG: Prigioni, Quinteros, Nocioni, L.M. Gutierrez, J.P. Gutierrez
USA: D. Williams (Kidd), Bryant, Anthony, James, Howard
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG
USA 9 2,45 5 55,6 21%
ARG 8 1,48 11 137,5 63%
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 8 13% 0% 25% 0% 63%
ARG 7 43% 0% 14% 14% 29%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 70% 22% 14% 0% 22%
ARG 130% 25% 25% 25% 13%
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The score after this period: 39-29 for USA.
Very bad period for USA, they shoot a lot of threes (1-5), every possesion lasts nearly till the end and they don't work for good inside postion. Anthony 1-4 and Bryant 0-2 from FG. Kidd comes in for D. Williams but it doesn't change USA offensive philosophy.
Lots of changes in the Argentinians team, especially in the frontcourt, and it gives them boost. USA fouls a lot too, as in the earlier time frame, and ARG scores easy points from the free throw line (6-6). Also this is the first time frame ARG has advantage on the boards.
5. TIME FRAME: 2Q 4:11 - 2Q 2:49
ARG: Quinteros, Delfino, Nocioni, L.M. Gutierrez, J.P. Gutierrez
USA: Paul, Redd, Bryant, Anthony, Bosh
Score: 43-31 for USA
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG
USA 3 0,63 5 166,7 75%
ARG 3 0,73 2 66,7 33%
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 3 33% 0% 0% 0% 67%
ARG 3 0% 0% 67% 33% 0%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 50% 0% 0% 50% 33%
ARG 150% 33% 0% 0% 0%
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A short time frame, but there are some changes in the USA lineup and in the next frame Scola checks in and will have big influence, so I wanted to split it.
Delfino is back, but misses two FG's. USA still shoots for 3, but Bryant scores 1-2, and Anthony is 2-2 from FT's and has one block and one steal.
6. TIME FRAME: 2Q 2:49 - 2Q 0:00
ARG: Quinteros, Delfino, L.M. Gutierrez, Scola, J.P. Gutierrez
USA: Paul, Redd, Bryant, Anthony, Bosh (Prince)
Score: 49-40 for USA
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG
USA 6 1,38 5 83,3 0%
ARG 7 1,42 9 128,6 57%
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 4 50% 0% 0% 0% 50%
ARG 8 0% 13% 50% 0% 38%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 67% 17% 0% 0% 0%
ARG 133% 0% 13% 0% 14%
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Another very bad period for USA, they have only 4 shot attempts to 8 for ARG, and also keep in mind, that at the end of period Anthony was (or was he?) fouled and made 3 free throws.
All in all US scores 5 points from free throws and is 0-2 for 3 pts. Take a look at their 2nd quarter performance - they are taking a lot of shots from the outside and aside from the short 5th time frame they can't find the basket. They also have problems on the boards since J.P. Gutierrez is on the floor.
For Argentina - Delfino misses another two 3-pt attempts, but Scola is 3-4 from inside the paint and scores altogether 7 points.
Bosh is replaced by Prince and it's really weird, as US plays with very small lineup and Scola gets another 4 points and one offensive rebound afer 2-and-1 against Bosh. Yes, Howard and Bosh have two fouls but Boozer waits for his chance.
Check back for the next post - dissecting the 2nd half of the game.
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danielcz
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: USA - Argentina semifinal - 2nd half story |
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1st half was a story of two quarters. Fantastic offensive game in the first 12 minutes by Americans - forced turnovers, rebounding advantage -
it gave USA more shot attempts and they were very efficient even from the outside. It helped also, that Argentinians couldn't score even
though they were shooting a lot from the paint area.
But you live and die with 3-pt shots and in the last 8 minutes of the half USA were very cold from the distance - when you take into account,
that:
- they were attempting 60% shots from 3-pt land and couldn't find the net
- and also lost on the boards, which gave ARG more opportunities to shoot
- L. Scola established himself in the post - thanks also to Coach K's decision to leave Bosh, Howard and Boozer together on the bench
for the last minutes of the half than it's not a surprise that ARG were losing by only 6 points before the last possesion, when Anthony was fouled attempting a 3-pt shot.
We start 2nd half of the USA-ARG semifinal with 49-40 USA lead and both coaches return to the starting lineups.
7.TIME FRAME: 3Q 10:00 - 3Q 6:10
USA: Kidd, Bryant, L. James, Anthony, Howard
ARG: Prigioni, Delfino, Nocioni, Scola, Oberto
Score: 63-46 for USA
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS
USA 7 1,88 14 200,0 65% 1,4
ARG 6 1,95 6 100,0 50% 1,2
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 10 0% 0% 70% 0% 30%
ARG 5 20% 0% 0% 60% 20%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 175% 0% 40% 0% 0%
ARG 25% 17% 50% 0% 0%
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I've added here also TS as a measure of shooting efficiency (not only from the field but also from the free throw line):
TS = Points / Shot Attempts
So USA is back to the starting 5 and plays with a purpose - to dominate inside. 70% of shots are from the paint and also 80% of ARG shots are
from the outside. Still ARG is shooting efficent, but they are losing the boards game (3 offensive rebounds - 2 for Howard) and have one
turnover, which gives USA more shot opportunities.
Howard has 7 points and 3 boards with 3-3 FG, Kidd with 4 assists and 1 offensive rebound, LeBron with 5 points on 2-3 FG. But Anthony is 1-4
on FG's and Bryant is not visible on the offensive end - but on the other side he checks Delfino, who didn't attempt any shot in this span.
Also Scola is dominated by Howard and has 0 rebounds.
8.TIME FRAME: 3Q 6:10 - 3Q 3:13
USA: Kidd (Paul), Wade, Bryant, L. James (Anthony), Bosh
ARG: Prigioni, Delfino, Nocioni, Scola, Gonzalez
Score: 73-55 for USA
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS
USA 6 1,53 10 166,7 42% 1,43
ARG 6 1,42 9 150,0 75% 1,50
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 7 14% 0% 43% 0% 43%
ARG 6 0% 0% 67% 17% 17%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 180% 50% 17% 17% 0%
ARG 20% 0% 17% 17% 33%
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Both teams very efficent as ARG looks more for inside game with Howard on the bench and USA getting a lot of free shots - after technical foul
by Nocioni, Anthony made 4 free throws.
USA with big advantage on the boards - 4 offensive rebounds (3 by D. Wade). Wade was very active scoring 3 points (1-3 FG, 1-2 FT). But
they've also had 3 turnovers - 2 by Kidd - so no more shooting opporunities for USA.
Scola 3-3 on FG's with 6 points and block on Kobe, but 0 rebounds.
9.TIME FRAME: 3Q 3:13 - 3Q 0:00
USA: Paul, D. Williams, Wade, Anthony, Bosh
ARG: Prigioni, Delfino, L.M. Gutierrez, Scola (Quinteros), Gonzalez
Score: 78-64 for USA
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS
USA 8 1,85 5 62,5 0% 0,83
ARG 9 1,37 9 100,0 50% 1,00
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 6 67% 0% 17% 0% 17%
ARG 9 11% 0% 22% 0% 67%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 108% 38% 0% 0% 0%
ARG 92% 11% 13% 0% 11%
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Not a good USA lineup on the floor. ARG plays faster - thanks also to 3 USA turnovers - 2 by D. Williams.
USA can't score anything from the floor, although only Anthony has any attempts (0-2 FG). But they are fouled many times and score 5-8 FT.
Still they have 3 less shooting opportunities due to turnovers, but ARG is not taking advantage of it, cause they are not that efficent too.
Delfino is very active with 8 points (3-6 FG's), but all the team shoots to many times from the 3-pt line (2-6).
10.TIME FRAME: 4Q 10:00 - 4Q 5:39
USA: Kidd, Bryant, L. James, Anthony, Howard
ARG: Prigioni, Quinteros, Delfino, L.M. Gutierrez, Scola
Score: 88-73 for USA
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS
USA 8 2,23 10 125,0 63% 1,25
ARG 7 2,12 9 128,6 56% 1,13
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 8 0% 0% 50% 0% 50%
ARG 8 0% 0% 50% 25% 25%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 100% 13% 50% 13% 0%
ARG 100% 0% 13% 13% 0%
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USA returns to the starting 5, and ARG takes different approach - with smaller lineup based more on shooters to spread the floor.
Very even efficiency from both teams, the same inside - outside combination of shots, the same rebounding .
Lebron with 8 points on 3-4 FG's, Kidd with 3 assists, but Bryant with 0-2 FG's.
Quinteros with 5 points on 2-2 shooting.
Also close matchup between Howard and Scola. Howard is 1-2 on FG's with 2 rebounds, 1 turnover and 1 block, Scola also has 2 points (1-3 FG),
3 rebounds and 1 block.
11.TIME FRAME: 4Q 5:39 - 4Q 3:28
USA: Kidd (Paul), Bryant, L. James, Anthony (Wade), Bosh
ARG: Prigioni, Quinteros, Delfino, L.M. Gutierrez, Scola
Score: 94-79 for USA
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS
USA 5 1,10 6 120,0 67% 1,20
ARG 5 1,08 6 120,0 60% 1,20
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 5 20% 20% 60% 0% 0%
ARG 5 0% 0% 60% 20% 20%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 100% 20% 0% 0% 20%
ARG 100% 20% 0% 0% 20%
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Some changes in USA lineup as Bosh checks in for Howard and in the middle of this time frame Paul comes in for Kidd and Wade for Anthony.
Still both teams play with nearly the same style as in earlier time frame - the same efficiency, turnover and rebounding ratio. ARG shoots
more from outside, whereas USA from inside.
Bosh very active with 4 points (1-2 FG) and 2 rebounds, but Scola also has 4 points on 2-2 FG's.
12.TIME FRAME: 4Q 3:28 - 4Q 0:00
USA: Paul, Wade (Redd), Bryant (Prince), L. James (D. Williams), Bosh (Boozer)
ARG: Quinteros, Porta-Pernigotti, Delfino (L.M. Gutierrez), Scola, Oberto (J.P. Gutierrez Llanas)
Score: 101-81 for USA
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS
USA 6 1,47 7 116,7 75% 1,17
ARG 6 2,00 2 33,3 17% 0,33
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 6 17% 17% 67% 0% 0%
ARG 6 0% 0% 33% 33% 33%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 130% 0% 20% 0% 17%
ARG 70% 17% 0% 0% 0%
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A lot of different lineups as both coaches put on floor low-used players: Porta-Pernigotti for ARG and Prince, Redd and Boozer for USA.
Not too much to talk about. Only Wade - with 5 points on 2-3 FG.
In the next post I will try to summarize the game.
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danielcz
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: USA - Argentina semifinal - final stats |
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For the final summary - let's take a look at final numbers:
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TEAM POSS PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 82 101 123,2 58% 1,23
ARG 82 81 98,8 49% 1,08
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 82 17% 5% 37% 4% 38%
ARG 75 9% 1% 40% 19% 31%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 116% 15% 22% 6% 10%
ARG 84% 16% 10% 4% 9%
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Below are player's raw +/- numbers:
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USA ON COURT OFF COURT
PLAYER MINUTES OFF DEF OFF DEF +/-
BRYANT Kobe 32,1 82 61 19 20 21
JAMES Lebron 26,3 69 48 32 33 21
BOSH Chris 19,5 58 42 43 39 16
WADE Dwyane 15,3 49 33 52 48 16
PAUL Chris 20,9 58 44 43 37 14
KIDD Jason 16,1 40 30 61 51 10
HOWARD Dwight 16,3 34 30 67 51 4
ANTHONY Carmelo 29,7 72 70 29 11 2
BOOZER Carlos 1,9 2 0 99 81 2
PRINCE Tayshaun 3,9 5 4 96 77 1
REDD Michael 5,4 10 11 91 70 -1
WILLIAMS Deron 12,5 26 32 75 49 -6
ARGENTINA ON COURT OFF COURT
PLAYER MINUTES OFF DEF OFF DEF +/-
GUTIERREZ Leonardo Martin 19,1 46 36 35 65 10
QUINTEROS Alfredo Paolo 19,1 42 35 39 66 7
GONZALEZ Roman Javier 5,5 15 11 66 90 4
GUTIERREZ LLANAS Juan Pedro 8,4 17 14 64 87 3
PORTA PERNIGOTTI Antonio Alejandro 2,6 0 5 81 96 -5
GINOBILI Emanuel David 6,4 4 14 77 87 -10
NOCIONI Andres Marcelo 17,6 42 54 39 47 -12
PRIGIONI Pablo 32,5 68 84 13 17 -16
DELFINO Carlos Francisco 35,5 72 98 9 3 -26
SCOLA Luis Alberto 34,1 65 91 16 10 -26
OBERTO Fabricio Raul Jesus 19,3 34 63 47 38 -29
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And now Offensive Efficiency:
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USA MINUTES OFF/40 ARGENTINA MINUTES OFF/40
WADE Dwyane 15,3 128 GONZALEZ Roman Javier 5,5 109
BOSH Chris 19,5 119 GUTIERREZ Leonardo Martin 19,1 96
PAUL Chris 20,9 111 NOCIONI Andres Marcelo 17,6 95
JAMES Lebron 26,3 105 QUINTEROS Alfredo Paolo 19,1 88
BRYANT Kobe 32,1 102 PRIGIONI Pablo 32,5 84
KIDD Jason 16,1 99 GUTIERREZ LLANAS Juan Pedro 8,4 81
ANTHONY Carmelo 29,7 97 DELFINO Carlos Francisco 35,5 81
HOWARD Dwight 16,3 83 SCOLA Luis Alberto 34,1 76
WILLIAMS Deron 12,5 83 OBERTO Fabricio Raul Jesus 19,3 71
REDD Michael 5,4 74 GINOBILI Emanuel David 6,4 25
PRINCE Tayshaun 3,9 52 PORTA PERNIGOTTI Antonio Alejandro 2,6 0
BOOZER Carlos 1,9 42
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Defensive Efficiency:
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USA MINUTES DEF/40 ARGENTINA MINUTES DEF/40
BOOZER Carlos 1,9 0 GUTIERREZ LLANAS Juan Pedro 8,4 67
PRINCE Tayshaun 3,9 41 QUINTEROS Alfredo Paolo 19,1 73
JAMES Lebron 26,3 73 GUTIERREZ Leonardo Martin 19,1 75
HOWARD Dwight 16,3 73 PORTA PERNIGOTTI Antonio Alejandro 2,6 76
KIDD Jason 16,1 75 GONZALEZ Roman Javier 5,5 80
BRYANT Kobe 32,1 76 GINOBILI Emanuel David 6,4 88
REDD Michael 5,4 81 PRIGIONI Pablo 32,5 103
PAUL Chris 20,9 84 SCOLA Luis Alberto 34,1 107
BOSH Chris 19,5 86 DELFINO Carlos Francisco 35,5 110
WADE Dwyane 15,3 86 NOCIONI Andres Marcelo 17,6 123
ANTHONY Carmelo 29,7 94 OBERTO Fabricio Raul Jesus 19,3 131
WILLIAMS Deron 12,5 102
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and Net Efficiency:
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USA MINUTES NET/40 ARGENTINA MINUTES NET/40
BOOZER Carlos 1,9 42 GONZALEZ Roman Javier 5,5 29
WADE Dwyane 15,3 42 GUTIERREZ Leonardo Martin 19,1 21
BOSH Chris 19,5 33 QUINTEROS Alfredo Paolo 19,1 15
JAMES Lebron 26,3 32 GUTIERREZ LLANAS Juan Pedro 8,4 14
PAUL Chris 20,9 27 PRIGIONI Pablo 32,5 -20
BRYANT Kobe 32,1 26 NOCIONI Andres Marcelo 17,6 -27
KIDD Jason 16,1 25 DELFINO Carlos Francisco 35,5 -29
PRINCE Tayshaun 3,9 10 SCOLA Luis Alberto 34,1 -30
HOWARD Dwight 16,3 10 OBERTO Fabricio Raul Jesus 19,3 -60
ANTHONY Carmelo 29,7 3 GINOBILI Emanuel David 6,4 -63
REDD Michael 5,4 -7 PORTA PERNIGOTTI Antonio Alejandro 2,6 -76
WILLIAMS Deron 12,5 -19
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Take a look also at most used lineups:
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TEAM LINEUP POSS %
USA Kidd, Bryant, James, Anthony, Howard 48 29%
USA Paul, Wade, Bryant, James, Bosh 27 16%
USA Paul, D. Williams, Wade, Anthony, Bosh 22 13%
ARG Prigioni, Delfino, Nocioni, Scola, Oberto 38 23%
ARG Prigioni, Quinteros, Delfino, L.M. Gutierrez, Scola 28 17%
ARG Prigioni, Delfino, Ginobili, Scola, Oberto 25 15%
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and their stats:
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LINEUP: Prigioni, Delfino, Nocioni, Scola, Oberto
TEAM POSS PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 18 38 211,1 89% 1,81
ARG 20 23 115,0 62% 1,44
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 21 5% 10% 43% 5% 38%
ARG 16 19% 0% 25% 38% 19%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 140% 0% 35% 0% 11%
ARG 60% 15% 15% 0% 0%
LINEUP: Prigioni, Quinteros, Delfino, L.M. Gutierrez, Scola
TEAM POSS PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 14 16 114,3 64% 1,23
ARG 14 15 107,1 50% 1,00
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 13 8% 8% 54% 0% 31%
ARG 15 0% 0% 47% 20% 33%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 105% 21% 33% 8% 7%
ARG 95% 7% 7% 7% 7%
LINEUP: Prigioni, Delfino, Ginobili, Scola, Oberto
TEAM POSS PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 13 14 107,7 46% 1,00
ARG 12 4 33,3 25% 0,50
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 14 14% 0% 29% 14% 43%
ARG 8 0% 0% 50% 0% 50%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 121% 8% 8% 8% 8%
ARG 79% 33% 0% 0% 8%
LINEUP: Kidd, Bryant, James, Anthony, Howard
TEAM POSS PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 25 31 124,0 52% 1,07
ARG 23 21 91,3 47% 1,05
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 29 3% 0% 48% 7% 41%
ARG 20 10% 0% 40% 25% 25%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 118% 8% 29% 7% 0%
ARG 83% 17% 17% 6% 4%
LINEUP: Paul, Wade, Bryant, James, Bosh
TEAM POSS PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 14 23 164,3 129% 1,64
ARG 13 6 46,2 30% 0,60
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 14 29% 21% 29% 0% 21%
ARG 10 0% 0% 60% 20% 20%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 138% 7% 30% 0% 36%
ARG 62% 38% 0% 0% 8%
LINEUP: Paul, D. Williams, Wade, Anthony, Bosh
TEAM POSS PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 11 14 127,3 67% 1,40
ARG 11 15 136,4 70% 1,36
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 10 40% 0% 20% 0% 40%
ARG 11 9% 0% 27% 27% 36%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 125% 18% 33% 0% 0%
ARG 75% 9% 20% 0% 9%
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Chronz1
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| great work danielcz I cant wait for the medal game |
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danielcz
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: Final: USA - Spain - 1st half |
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As I already did with the semifinal game against Argentina, I will try also to break down the final game of the tournament: USA vs Spain. I will split it into even more time frames, as this game was very contested and there were more changes of lineups. At the end I will post final +/- raw data.
If I will have some time I will try to run some additional analysis for adjusted +/- data - but we will see as naturally I'm very interested in it, but have also a lot of time constraints.
1. TIME FRAME: 1Q 10:00 - 1Q 6:30
USA: Kidd, Bryant, L. James, Anthony, Howard
ESP: Rubio, Navarro, Jimenez, Reyes, P. Gasol
Score: 9-13
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 6 1,72 9 150,0 80% 1,50
ESP 6 1,78 13 216,7 88% 2,17
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 6 17% 0% 17% 17% 50%
ESP 6 33% 17% 17% 17% 17%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 100% 17% 20% 0% 17%
ESP 100% 17% 75% 0% 17%
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Oh, take a look at this incredible Spain offensive efficiency, take a look also at their shot selection - there is everything, some fast breaks, some free throws, some inside and not that much outside shots. Also 3/4 of FG's are assisted. GREAT performance.
USA is not playing that badly naturally - at least on offense, but 2/3 of their shots came from outside. At least everybody is involed on offense, but Bryant and LeBron pick already 2 fouls.
For ESP Jimenez has already 5 points and 1 assist, Navarro and Gasol with 3 points.
2. TIME FRAME: 1Q 6:30 - 1Q 5:03
USA: Kidd (C. Paul), D. Williams, Wade, Anthony, Howard (Bosh)
ESP: Rubio, Navarro, Jimenez, Reyes, P. Gasol
Score: 17-19
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 4 0,85 8 200,0 75% 2,00
ESP 3 0,60 6 200,0 100% 2,00
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 4 0% 25% 75% 0% 0%
ESP 3 0% 0% 100% 0% 0%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 100% 0% 0% 0% 0%
ESP 100% 0% 33% 0% 0%
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No changes there with Spain's efficiency. Due to fouls Kobe and LeBron are sitting on the bench and an interesting lineup with Kidd and D. Williams is on the floor, but after 2 possesions C. Paul comes in.
3 possesions and 3 inside scores for Spain for Gasol, Navarro and Rubio.
Wade is already seen on the court with 5 points, Paul with 2+1 action.
It was a short time frame, but I wanted to exclude it as on the next stop there are finally some changes in Spain's roster.
3. TIME FRAME: 1Q 5:03 - 1Q 3:44
USA: C. Paul, D. Williams, Wade, Prince, Bosh
ESP: Lopez, Navarro, Berni Rodriguez, Garbajosa, P. Gasol
Score: 22-22
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 3 0,43 5 166,7 50% 1,67
ESP 3 0,88 3 100,0 25% 0,60
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 3 33% 0% 67% 0% 0%
ESP 5 20% 0% 60% 0% 20%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 50% 0% 0% 0% 0%
ESP 150% 0% 0% 0% 0%
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Another short time period, but first of all there are some changes in Spain's team and it's seen in their efficiency - as they have 2 offensive rebounds but can't convert additional chances into points - although it's Pau Gasol with 0-2 and Navarro with 1 point on 2 FG chances. Also in the next frame we can look at Pau Gasol's substitution.
For USA Chris Paul with another 2+1 action.
4. TIME FRAME: 1Q 3:44 - 1Q 0:00
USA: C. Paul, D. Williams, Wade, Prince, Bosh
ESP: Lopez (Rubio), Navarro (Mumbru), Berni Rodriguez, Garbajosa, M. Gasol
Score: 38-31
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 8 1,70 16 200,0 110% 2,00
ESP 8 2,03 9 112,5 58% 1,29
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 8 38% 13% 38% 0% 13%
ESP 7 14% 0% 43% 14% 29%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 133% 13% 20% 0% 25%
ESP 67% 38% 33% 0% 0%
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And what will you tell me about this interesting lineup? They are going inside - finally they have some fastbreaks with D.Wade 2 steals on Lopez and Mumbru.
D. Wade is fantastic in this period with 8 points on 2-2 FG and 3-4 FT. And Prince - playing a lot in this 1st quarter has 4 points scored inside.
For Spain Marc Gasol has 4 points on 2-3 and Garbajosa 3 points, but they have big issues with interior defense.
Look at last 2 time frames - first changes in the SPA lineup and they are playing worse - especially on defense as on offense their first half mark was off the chart.
5. TIME FRAME: 2Q 10:00 - 2Q 6:40
USA: Kidd, Bryant, L. James, Anthony, Howard
ESP: Rubio, Rudy Fernandez, Jimenez , P. Gasol, M. Gasol
Score: 46-38
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 7 1,32 8 114,3 67% 1,33
ESP 7 2,02 7 100,0 50% 1,00
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 6 0% 17% 17% 0% 67%
ESP 7 29% 0% 43% 0% 29%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 75% 14% 33% 0% 14%
ESP 125% 14% 20% 20% 14%
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USA is back to the starting lineup and Spain with two changes: Marc Gasol for Reyes and Rudy Fernandez for Navarro. And Spain is rebounding better with M.Gasol's 2 boards (also 2 turnovers), but they are inefficient - Pau Gasol with 0-1 FG and 0-2 FT.
This USA lineup plays on offense as in earlier stint - 2/3 of the shots come from outside. Bryant with 5 points, assist and 2 boards. D. Howard? 0 FG, 1 boards and unsportsmanlike foul.
6. TIME FRAME: 2Q 6:40 - 2Q 3:11
USA: Paul, Wade, Bryant, L. James, Howard (Bosh)
ESP: Rubio (Navarro), Rudy Fernandez, Jimenez (Mumbru), Reyes, P. Gasol (M. Gasol)
Score: 58-49
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 8 1,53 12 150,0 100% 2,00
ESP 9 1,95 11 122,2 75% 1,57
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 6 0% 50% 17% 0% 33%
ESP 7 14% 0% 71% 0% 14%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 100% 25% 50% 0% 25%
ESP 100% 22% 17% 0% 11%
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Finally we have a chance to look at the great lineup with Bryant, LeBron and Wade on the floor together. So we see steals (Paul and Wade), fastbreaks, Wade and LeBron with 5 points.
Spain plays also well as they have a lot of shots from inside the paint - Rudy Fernandez with 5 points and Gasol with Reyes score from the paint area.
7. TIME FRAME: 2Q 3:11 - 2Q 0:00
USA: Paul, D. Williams, Wade, Prince, Bosh
ESP: Navarro, Berni Rodriguez, Mumbru, Reyes, M. Gasol
Score: 69-61
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TEAM POSS MIN PTS EFFIC eFG TS%
USA 8 1,58 11 137,5 42% 1,22
ESP 7 1,57 12 171,4 117% 2,40
SHOT ATTEMPTS
TEAM ALL FT FB INS OUT 3PT
USA 9 33% 0% 22% 0% 44%
ESP 5 40% 0% 40% 0% 20%
TEAM REB% TO% AST% BLK% STL%
USA 133% 13% 17% 0% 13%
ESP 67% 29% 67% 0% 0%
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LeBron and Bryant back on the bench as they have to play in the 2nd half - they already had 2 fouls in the 1st quarter. This lineup is having problems putting the ball in the basket - in halfcourt play they go for 3 and are 1 on 4. But they hustle - 2 offensive rebounds by T. Prince - and also are fouled many times - C. Paul 3-4 on FT.
Spain is playing without Pau, but Rudy Fernandez scores another 5 points and Reyes is 2-2 from inside.
Chceck back for lineups crunching from the 2nd half of the game.
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Mike G
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Sorry to chime in so late here; but am I the only one for whom the columns are scrambled? I honestly can't see the data.
Maybe go back and reduce the column separation to 3 or 4 spaces?
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danielcz
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| Mike G wrote: | Sorry to chime in so late here; but am I the only one for whom the columns are scrambled? I honestly can't see the data.
Maybe go back and reduce the column separation to 3 or 4 spaces? |
Mike,
take a look at the first post - I've reduced the spaces so maybe it works?
If not I will post some data f.ex. on Google spreadsheet. |
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