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supersub15
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 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject: Average height and NBA experience per team |
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I went through each team’s roster and calculated the average height of its players. Mind you, this average covers ALL the players on the roster, even the ones on the inactive list or down in the D league. Also, a lot of players on those roster don’t play much, like Baston on the Raptors. Here is the list:
| Code: | Rk Team Average Ht (in)
1 Washington Wizards 80.85
2 Los Angeles Lakers 80.21
3 Seattle Supersonics 80.20
4 Portland TrailBlazers 80.07
5 San Antonio Spurs 79.62
6 Golden State Warriors 79.60
7 Toronto Raptors 79.53
8 Miami Heat 79.53
9 Indiana Pacers 79.50
10 New Jersey Nets 79.36
11 Phoenix Suns 79.31
12 Utah Jazz 79.21
13 Sacramento Kings 79.20
14 Detroit Pistons 79.14
15 Minnesota Timberwolves 79.13
16 New Orleans Hornets 79.08
17 Cleveland Cavaliers 79.07
18 Philadelphia Sixers 79.07
19 Milwaukee Bucks 79.00
20 New York Knicks 79.00
21 Houston Rockets 78.93
22 Memphis Grizzlies 78.93
23 Boston Celtics 78.77
24 Chicago Bulls 78.67
25 Orlando Magic 78.60
26 Los Angeles Clippers 78.50
27 Charlotte Bobcats 78.47
28 Atlanta Hawks 78.31
29 Denver Nuggets 78.23
30 Dallas Mavericks 77.87 |
I also went through the teams and calculated the average NBA experience:
| Code: | Rk Team Average Exp (yrs)
1 Dallas Mavericks 7.85
2 San Antonio Spurs 7.77
3 Phoenix Suns 7.00
4 Los Angeles Clippers 6.43
5 Sacramento Kings 6.00
6 Cleveland Cavaliers 5.80
7 Denver Nuggets 5.62
8 Boston Celtics 5.54
9 Detroit Pistons 5.29
10 Orlando Magic 5.20
11 New Orleans Hornets 5.08
12 New Jersey Nets 5.00
13 Charlotte Bobcats 4.93
14 New York Knicks 4.80
15 Los Angeles Lakers 4.71
16 Miami Heat 4.67
17 Houston Rockets 4.67
18 Minnesota Timberwolves 4.47
19 Washington Wizards 4.46
20 Golden State Warriors 4.20
21 Indiana Pacers 4.07
22 Seattle Supersonics 3.93
23 Toronto Raptors 3.73
24 Milwaukee Bucks 3.67
25 Memphis Grizzlies 3.64
26 Philadelphia Sixers 3.60
27 Utah Jazz 3.27
28 Portland TrailBlazers 3.00
29 Atlanta Hawks 2.85
30 Chicago Bulls 2.27 |
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kjb
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have time to do this myself at the moment, but it would be interested to see average height weighted by minutes played. That would weed out teams with tall scrubs or teams that often play small. I was very surprised to see the Wizards come out as the tallest team given that they ALWAYS seem to have relatively shorter guys on the floor.
Height differences don't appear to matter much. Could test that with a simple correlation to winning percentage or efficiency differential. Would work best with minutes-weighted heights. But less than 3 inches separate #1 from #30.
Experience looks to be more meaningful, and would probably get moreso with minutes weighted experience. |
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jkubatko
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| kjb wrote: | | I don't have time to do this myself at the moment, but it would be interested to see average height weighted by minutes played. That would weed out teams with tall scrubs or teams that often play small. I was very surprised to see the Wizards come out as the tallest team given that they ALWAYS seem to have relatively shorter guys on the floor. |
Here you go:
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| team_id | height_avg |
+---------+------------+
| IND | 79.88 |
| POR | 79.64 |
| CLE | 79.54 |
| HOU | 79.54 |
| ATL | 79.48 |
| NJN | 79.44 |
| LAL | 79.42 |
| WAS | 79.40 |
| UTA | 79.33 |
| SAC | 79.27 |
| SEA | 79.25 |
| DET | 79.10 |
| MIL | 79.09 |
| ORL | 79.08 |
| SAS | 79.06 |
| TOR | 79.01 |
| DAL | 78.95 |
| MEM | 78.79 |
| NOH | 78.78 |
| MIA | 78.56 |
| MIN | 78.49 |
| CHI | 78.40 |
| NYK | 78.39 |
| GSW | 78.35 |
| PHO | 78.34 |
| PHI | 78.33 |
| CHA | 78.33 |
| LAC | 78.24 |
| BOS | 78.21 |
| DEN | 78.12 |
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supersub15
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin, how did you account for the players that changed teams recently? |
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jkubatko
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| supersub15 wrote: | | Justin, how did you account for the players that changed teams recently? |
They won't count until they play some minutes for their new franchises. That's a "flaw" using this method, I guess.
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THWilson
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Strange that the league leader in blocks is the shortest team.
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| team_id | height_avg |
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| IND | 79.88 |
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| BOS | 78.21 |
| DEN | 78.12 |
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supersub15
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| jkubatko wrote: | | supersub15 wrote: | | Justin, how did you account for the players that changed teams recently? |
They won't count until they play some minutes for their new franchises. That's a "flaw" using this method, I guess. |
I also noticed that the height measurements on your website are different from those on NBA.com. Take Bargnani for instance. He's 6-10 on B-R, but 7-0 on NBA.com. I suppose this has some bearing on the results above. |
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jkubatko
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| supersub15 wrote: | | I also noticed that the height measurements on your website are different from those on NBA.com. Take Bargnani for instance. He's 6-10 on B-R, but 7-0 on NBA.com. I suppose this has some bearing on the results above. |
It's hard to get consistent height measurements. NBA.com lists him as 7'0", but Yahoo! Sports and ESPN.com both list him as 6'10". My reaction to this? Eh, whatever.
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HoopStudies
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| jkubatko wrote: | | supersub15 wrote: | | I also noticed that the height measurements on your website are different from those on NBA.com. Take Bargnani for instance. He's 6-10 on B-R, but 7-0 on NBA.com. I suppose this has some bearing on the results above. |
It's hard to get consistent height measurements. NBA.com lists him as 7'0", but Yahoo! Sports and ESPN.com both list him as 6'10". My reaction to this? Eh, whatever. |
This is one of the biggest annoyances I run into. If height supposedly matters so much, you'd think it were reported accurately. Instead, it matters so much that people lie about it.
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Mountain
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Team blocks is heavily influenced by a few exceptional individuals and so correlation to average team height might not be strong. Haven't run that test though. I see top 2 teams on blocks are short but then next two are tall.
Blocks are a lot about timing, hops and long arms, more than mere height. |
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Ryan J. Parker
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| We need wingspan, too... |
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gabefarkas
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't forget neck-span (aka wasted height). |
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findingneema
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| and what about tremendous upside potential? |
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