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gkrndija
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 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:53 am Post subject: Defensive Goaltending |
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After going through the play-by-play data on NBA.com, these were the players that were called the most for defensive goaltending.
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Player # of time
Pryzbilla 38
Dalembert 34
Garnett 20
S. O'Neal 16
Josh Smith 16
Dwight Howard 16
Kenyon Martin 14
Chris Anderson 14
Amare Stoudamire 14
Gooden 13
Curry 13
Yao 13
Steven Hunter 12
Bosh 12
Jermaine O'Neal 12
Ratliff 11
Griffin 10
Ruffin 9
Mohammad 8
Mihm 7
Mourning 7
Sweetney 7
Dale Davis 7
Ben Wallace 7
Gerald Wallae 7
McDyess 7
Camby 7
McGrady 6
Haywood 6
Mutumbo 6
Odom 5
Foyle 5
C. Anthony 5
Chandler 5
Kobe. Bryant 5
Pavlovic 5
Miles 5
Wade 5
Webber 5
Dampier 4
LaFrentz 4
Arenas 4
Dupree 4
Battie 4
Cook 4
K. Perkins 4
Wright 4
Marion 4
R. Wallace 4
Wilcox 3
Olowokandi 3
Francis 3
Prince 3
V. Carter 3
S. Bradley 3
J. Collins 3
Collier 3
Brand 3
Okafor 3
Cato 3
Kasun 3
Iguodala 3
Ray Allen 3
Horry 3
Harrison 3
Krstic 3
JR Smith 3
M. Rose 3
Maggette 3
Skinner 3
Nachbar 3
Josh Howard 3
Najera 3
J. Richardson 3
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NBA. com was missing about 10 games of data. The rest of the league got called for defensive goaltending 2 or less times. Duncan never got called goaltending. Kirilenko twice. Kwame twice. Nowitski once. Gadzuric twice. And Illgauskas once.
Edit: Nazr Mohammed accidentally slipped out
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jeffpotts77
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:36 am Post subject: very interesting |
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| Wow! Thanks for finding and posting that! This is the kind of stuff that fascinates me because it sheds some new light on blocks statistics. For example: Przybilla had 163 blocks, 239 fouls and 38 goaltending calls. Based on this information, was he helping his team as much as possible by going for all of those blocks? Did some of his block attempts leave him out of position to defend his man, resulting in an easy basket? Maybe it really did help his team, but these are the numbers that will reveal it. Thanks again! |
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Ben
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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Dan Rosenbaum found Pryzbilla to be a good defender:
http://www.82games.com/rosenbaum3.htm
Perhaps this list could explain a bit of why he looks better statistically than he does with adjusted +/-. |
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gkrndija
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: very interesting |
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| jeffpotts77 wrote: | | Wow! Thanks for finding and posting that! This is the kind of stuff that fascinates me because it sheds some new light on blocks statistics. For example: Przybilla had 163 blocks, 239 fouls and 38 goaltending calls. Based on this information, was he helping his team as much as possible by going for all of those blocks? Did some of his block attempts leave him out of position to defend his man, resulting in an easy basket? Maybe it really did help his team, but these are the numbers that will reveal it. Thanks again! |
Thanks.....I stumbled upon the goaltending stat by checking out at a play-by-play boxscore. I looked for it before on ESPN.com and just assumed NBA.com never kept track as well. It took a while, but it was actually not that bad because I was interested to see who was going to win the race for the Defensive Goaltending crown. Guys like Sweetney, K-Mart and even Pavlovic started off like gangbusters, but Pryzbilla and Dalembert were animals down the stretch. Pryzbilla once got 4 in a game near the end of the year. He might have even more as Portland's last game of the year had no play-by-play data. |
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jeffpotts77
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that this list makes Tim Duncan and Elton Brand look like even better shotblockers than I had previously imagined...which says a lot! If you calculate a goaltending/blocks ratio, you will see what I mean. |
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JPOP
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:27 am Post subject: |
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This is a pretty good indicator of players who make blocks on the release of a shot as opposed to at it's apex. It's an indicator of who has the range to block shots from the weakside as opposed to being faced up. It suggests which players might use it as a means of intimidation or quite simply the inability to lift off the accelerator when seeing trouble ahead.
Definitely an interesting set of data, and seeing Pavlovic so high on the list tells me some players are just chasing the ball to show some sort of defensive effort or ability when clearly none exists.
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jemagee
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I was going to start a thread asking if it was out there, but since this one was already started... has any web site out there since 2005 started tracking goaltending numbers without having to go back through game logs? |
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anh2173
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| jemagee wrote: | | I was going to start a thread asking if it was out there, but since this one was already started... has any web site out there since 2005 started tracking goaltending numbers without having to go back through game logs? |
Aaron's site, BasketballValue, has play-by-play data and you could pull the data from there. Just a quick perusal of the 2005-06 data, there were 803 defensive goaltending calls.
Josh Smith had 27 defensive goaltends for Atlanta.
Dirk Nowitzki had 2 for Dallas.
Tyson Chandler had 6 for Chicago.
Perhaps there is an easier way to extract it but I just chopped it up with Excel and was able to get the goaltending data formatted and easily readable in about ten minutes. |
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jemagee
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks, I'll take a look, from 'watching' something seems to be 'less' that used to be a problem for me (goaltending of a specific player) but I want to check to see if my perception matches the facts. |
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