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cherokee_ACB
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 Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: The lost art of the bank shot |
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The bank shot has pretty much disappeared from NBA games. Duncan, who just yesterday made 5 bank shots against the Knicks, might become the last one to master this old school technique.
Is there any hope for a comeback of the bank shot? Let's see some stats from last season, taken from b-v PbPs
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Player FGM FGA FG%
Duncan 100 171 58.5%
Okafor 51 76 67.1%
Bryant 35 40 87.5%
Stoudemire 27 40 67.5%
Tinsley 25 28 89.3%
L. James 25 39 64.1%
Ginobili 25 39 64.1%
Wade 21 35 60.0%
J. Green 20 24 83.3%
Lewis 19 28 67.9%
Paul 18 22 81.8%
B. Davis 18 26 69.2%
A. Miller 17 20 85.0%
R. Wallace 17 30 56.7%
Nowitzki 16 18 88.9%
Total 1750 2440 71.7%
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Duncan is the most frequent bank shooter by far, no surprises there, but his signature move isn't particularly efficient. Tinsley, given his minutes, provides the best combination of volume and accuracy in this kind of shot.
In total, there's roughly two bank shot attempts per game, and they are made at a pretty good rate (if PbP data is to be trusted).
Other notables out of the Top 15 are Garnett (16/21), Howard (16/33). A. Daniels (13/13), Nash (8/14), Anthony (7/9), Iverson (7/10), Kevin Martin (3/4), Pierce (2/3) and Yao (1/2).
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Mountain
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: |
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What kind of range are we talking about here?
Back in the day I was pretty good with a turnaround 15-20 foot wing bank shot.
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Ryan J. Parker
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: |
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How does this fit in with shot location? Anyone banking in a lot of long ones?
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Mike G
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Tinsley 25-28 on bank shots? He hit 42% of his 2FG, so I'm guessing most of those bankers were layups.
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Brian M
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| I suspect the high percentages are due partly to selectivity in shooting bank shots. A guy like Kobe might only attempt them when he's in a comfortable position on offense, whereas Duncan may try to use them more frequently in more challenging defensive situations. |
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cherokee_ACB
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I just searched for "Bank shot" in play-by-plays, I have no shot location data. All I can do is separate bank shots based on how they are labeled
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Jump 932/1435 64.9%
Other 818/1005 81.4%
Running 373/469 79.5%
Turnaround 202/247 81.8%
Hook 61/77 79.2%
Fade away 63/74 85.1%
Driving 61/73 83.5%
Pullup 58/65 89.2%
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Tinsley was 11/13 on jump bank shots, 7/7 on running, 5/6 on turnaround and 2/2 on pullup bank shots. He also hit them quite well in 2006/2007. |
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Mike G
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Makes one wonder why he doesn't shoot everything off the glass.
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kjb
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The other thing to consider is that the pbp may not record every instance of a bank shot. Or, a scorer may be more likely to classify a shot as "bank shot" when it goes in. Or vice versa. A bricked bank shot may simply be classified as a miss. A bad miss that was not intended as a bank shot could could conceivably be classified as a missed bank shot. It would be helpful to learn how scorers decide to classify shots.
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Roland_Beech
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A good idea for a study, but as Kevin notes the PBP's cannot be easily trusted on something like this.
The classifications are way too inconsistent and skewed. |
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MattB
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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I'm at work so I threw this together quick, but based on basketballgeek.com's data I put together a 3d graph of all shots listed with bank and their position in a 3d graph.
If I get time I'll play with this to allow individual players and whatenot.
The red line is the midcourt...
Use 's' to zoom in and 't' to zoom out. Clicking and dragging rotates the model.
http://hoopism.com/bankshot/ |
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thref23
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| MattB wrote: | I'm at work so I threw this together quick, but based on basketballgeek.com's data I put together a 3d graph of all shots listed with bank and their position in a 3d graph.
If I get time I'll play with this to allow individual players and whatenot.
The red line is the midcourt...
Use 's' to zoom in and 't' to zoom out. Clicking and dragging rotates the model.
http://hoopism.com/bankshot/ |
I like your "Stats Caricatures" (@ hoopism.com) |
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MattB
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| thref23 wrote: | | MattB wrote: | I'm at work so I threw this together quick, but based on basketballgeek.com's data I put together a 3d graph of all shots listed with bank and their position in a 3d graph.
If I get time I'll play with this to allow individual players and whatenot.
The red line is the midcourt...
Use 's' to zoom in and 't' to zoom out. Clicking and dragging rotates the model.
http://hoopism.com/bankshot/ |
I like your "Stats Caricatures" (@ hoopism.com) |
Thanks, that's my brothers work. I thought they were pretty neat too.
I just added a new 3d chart with makes and misses separated.
Press 1 for makes and 2 for misses...
http://hoopism.com/BankComp
EDIT:
I ran a quick query for Duncan and FG% on shots listed as banks...
FG% = 0.53448275862069 Makes: 124 Total: 232
And here's the league average...
FG% = 0.65144927536232 Makes: 1798 Total: 2760 |
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