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Where Can I Find Fastbreak Pts Per Game?

 
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DCAllAmerican



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject: Where Can I Find Fastbreak Pts Per Game? Reply with quote

The commentators speak of it as if we have it right at the click of a mouse

WHERE can I find THIS YEARS fastbreak pts for each team?
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Ben F.



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know, aggregate totals don't exist anywhere, at least updated on a regular basis. I've heard that Harvey Pollack's Statistical Yearbook has the totals, but that's published at the end of each year, I believe.

Luckily ESPN.com provides the totals on a game-by-game basis, so I decided to write up a script to total them all. Here's what I found (all data only through the end of February, meaning including games on Feb. 29th but nothing past that).

Code:
Team    G     PF    PA   PF/G   PA/G   Marg/G
GSW    56   1233   737   22.0   13.2   +8.9
PHI    58   1005   575   17.3    9.9   +7.4
PHX    58   1047   676   18.1   11.7   +6.4
DEN    56   1008   761   18.0   13.6   +4.4
ATL    55    879   723   16.0   13.1   +2.8
DET    58    685   564   11.8    9.7   +2.1
NOH    57    764   676   13.4   11.9   +1.5
BOS    56    595   512   10.6    9.1   +1.5
IND    59    777   700   13.2   11.9   +1.3
LAL    58    749   677   12.9   11.7   +1.2
SEA    57    865   795   15.2   13.9   +1.2
DAL    57    767   714   13.5   12.5   +0.9
NJN    57    714   677   12.5   11.9   +0.6
ORL    59    705   730   11.9   12.4   -0.4
LAC    55    468   501    8.5    9.1   -0.6
CLE    58    694   742   12.0   12.8   -0.8
SAC    58    675   745   11.6   12.8   -1.2
UTA    59    697   773   11.8   13.1   -1.3
CHA    57    688   777   12.1   13.6   -1.6
MEM    56    797   888   14.2   15.9   -1.6
WAS    57    588   688   10.3   12.1   -1.8
TOR    56    439   544    7.8    9.7   -1.9
SAS    56    515   631    9.2   11.3   -2.1
CHI    55    586   720   10.7   13.1   -2.4
NYK    56    494   634    8.8   11.3   -2.5
MIA    56    591   743   10.6   13.3   -2.7
MIL    58    574   799    9.9   13.8   -3.9
HOU    56    459   678    8.2   12.1   -3.9
POR    59    444   732    7.5   12.4   -4.9
MIN    57    463   853    8.1   15.0   -6.8

G = games in sample
PF = fast break points for
PA = fast break points against
Marg/G = (PA - PF) / G, fast break point margin per game

The huge surprise to me is Philadelphia, which clocks in at 24th in overall pace according to Basketball-Reference.com and 23rd overall according to KnickerBlogger.net yet somehow is 4th overall in fast break points and 2nd overall in margin.
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kjb



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know the statkeeper criteria for designating fastbreak points?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question. I would add, what should be the criteria for designating a fast break attempt, and when a fast break is aborted? Is it more a matter of speed than matchup numerical advantage?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harold Almonte wrote:
Good question. I would add, what should be the criteria for designating a fast break attempt, and when a fast break is aborted? Is it more a matter of speed than matchup numerical advantage?


I have never asked how the NBA guides its scorers on this (too many other things to think about). But I tend to look at things this way:

Fast break: Fewer than 5 players back and players not matched up defensively.
Secondary break: No fewer than 3 players back and defensive matchups not established.

There probably needs to be time cutoffs on these, but I've never found ones I particularly like.
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Mountain



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ben.

Average is 12.3.

6 over 15 pts a game. 5 producing much above a 2 pt edge. Top 4 lead by quality veteran PG.

For most it is not providing "the answer". For a few it is a major problem.
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