Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 675 Location: Washington, DC
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject:
schtevie wrote:
Were Manute Bol's coaches the worst ever? The foul rate cited implies that he would average 6 per 48 minutes. So what if he fouled out now and again as long as he was decreasing opponents' shooting percentage by 9% or causing a hypothetical 6 FG that wouldn't be M. Unless there was something else going on.
You be the judge. His coaches (in order):
Gene Shue
Kevin Loughery
Wes Unseld
Don Nelson
Jim Lynam
Doug Moe
Fred Carter
Kevin Loughery (again)
Wes Unseld (again)
Fred Carter (again)
Don Nelson (again) _________________ My blog
bchaikin, I've recently been thinking about a few international players, who came to nba in recent seasons and I've been wondering how they do in simulation. What does your sim show for A. Bargnani, J. Calderon, J. Garbajosa, A.Parker (yes, i know he is not international, but he spent a lot of time in euroleague recently), S. Jasikevicius, E. Ilyasova, L. Kleiza, F. Oberto? I've been wondering how do these guys adapt to NBA.
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 515 Location: cleveland, ohio
Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject:
What does your sim show for...
wins generated are dependant on what team you place a player on, who they replace, and for how many minutes. if you ask for a few specific scenarios, such as player A replacing player B on team C for 36 or 40 minutes a game (min/g in multiples of 4 please) i'll run those and show the comparisons....
Well, I would be interested in how A. Parker, L. Kleiza or E. Ilyasova does on Toronto replacing V. Carter, how does J. Calderon and S. Jasikevicius does replacing S. Nash and R. Alston, how does A. Bargnani does replacing T. Duncan, how does J. Garbajosa and F. Oberto does replacing Y. Ming (all for 36 or 40 mins). Your answers would be appreciated.
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 515 Location: cleveland, ohio
Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject:
Your answers would be appreciated.
i ran all the sims (8200 games each) on toronto 06-07. used the team's default sub pattern - each player's total minutes played divided by 82, rounded off to the nearest multiple of 4 for the computer played sub pattern - except for the players/position in question (against all opponents' default sub patterns). toronto in 06-07 went 47-35 with the per game point differential (+1.0 pts/g) of a team that historically has gone approximately 44-38. team wins are in parenthesis:
It seems that most of these players are not doing very good. Even the first pick Bargnani.
However, Calderon seems to be doing well. I suppose that Kidd is the best PG yes? If that is so, only 5 wins below is quite an achievement. But I wonder how Alston can generate as many wins as he is shooting much worse, scoring less, passing less. Is there something I'm missing about him?
I see that Parker is doing really well. I wonder how would him and Carter look on very bad offensive team say like Boston. Maybe you could simulate them there and add Pierce, Bryant Ginobili to the mix? I'm interested in how far Parker is from the top.
By the way, why did you simulate Ilyasova and Kleiza as PF? As far as I know they are considered SF or am I wrong here.
Oh, and could you post how did you rate defensively these international players.
I was also curious how Calderon and Alston ranked the same.
Per 40 miuntes, they have the same Rebounds, essentially the same steals, Calderon has 4 more assists, .5 more TO, scores 2 more Points on 1 less Field goal attempted.
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 515 Location: cleveland, ohio
Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:23 am Post subject:
...how Alston can generate as many wins as he is shooting much worse, scoring less, passing less. Is there something I'm missing about him?
outside of steals, blocks, and defensive rebounding, i have alston rated as the better defender. also it's dependant on which team you run the sim on. running both as the PG on houston for 36 min/g the gap in wins is slightly larger favor of calderon, about 1.5 to 2.0 wins playing 36 min/g and 82 games...
I see that Parker is doing really well.
although he was a low touches/min SG, he was a good defender in 06-07, with low turnovers per touch, very high overall shooting (ScFG% of 59%), one of the league's best 3pt shooters...
I wonder how would him and Carter look on very bad offensive team say like Boston. Maybe you could simulate them there and add Pierce, Bryant Ginobili to the mix? I'm interested in how far Parker is from the top.
for this you can pm or email me....
why did you simulate Ilyasova and Kleiza as PF?
i have both of them listed as PF/SFs. you asked me to sim them with two SG/SFs (parker/carter), and i ran the sim for parker/carter with them at SG...
...could you post how did you rate defensively these international players.
outside of steals, blocks, and defensive rebounding, parker and garbajosa better than average, calderson, bargnani, kleiza, oberto, about average, jasikevicius and ilyasova worse than average...
Joined: 31 Dec 2004 Posts: 884 Location: Durham, NC
Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject:
bchaikin wrote:
outside of steals, blocks, and defensive rebounding, i have alston rated as the better defender.
well, that makes perfect sense to me.
Ron Artest was a NYC HS/streetball legend who won DPOY. Alston is considered one of the greatest NYC streetballers ever, so despite lack of any quantitative support, Alston must be a good defender too.
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