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Nikos
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 Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: Kirk Hinrich on FIBA Ball |
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He says it is very different from the NBA game. One of his quotes......
FIBA: Did you have any problem with the rules, the shorter three-point line and the other differences?
Hinrich: No not really that was all fine. It's just that the international game is more based on team play and ball movement and in the NBA a lot of the guys that we have are used to the illegal defense rule. So they use the isolation to make plays. It's definitely a very different game.
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What does he mean by this exactly? That when a team plays man they are used to isolation plays because they know an illegal defense will be called if the opposing defense helps too soon or in the wrong spots?
Aren't zones allowed? Were teams playing sagging man to man, something that doesn't really happen in the NBA?
What exactly makes the International game drastically different?
The Pace seems to be the same as the NBA, so it isn't really a different tempo? Is it? Why do players say it is played at a much higher tempo? Maybe they mean the NBA in general has faster players/athletes?
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/06_wcm/news/inte/FE_news_inteArti.asp?newsID=16249&lid_6751_eventID=3507&lid_6751_langID=1&roundID=3507 |
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deepak_e
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| There are restrictions to the zone defenses that can be played in the NBA. A defensive player can't be in the lane for more than 3 seconds, unless he's defending someone. |
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ben389
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| deepak_e wrote: | | There are restrictions to the zone defenses that can be played in the NBA. A defensive player can't be in the lane for more than 3 seconds, unless he's defending someone. |
If you remember in the NBA finals the centers were called for 3 second violations many times throughout the series. Letting big men sit in the paint stops slashers and penetrators like Wade, so it makes three-point shooters all the more valuable in the international game. |
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Mark
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Coach K mentioned the carry wasnt called at WC. Was that officiating style or is that the way the international game is officially?
Might take defense adjustment but on offense seems team USA could adapt to that and use it to penetrate even more. |
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mateo82
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| deepak_e wrote: | | There are restrictions to the zone defenses that can be played in the NBA. A defensive player can't be in the lane for more than 3 seconds, unless he's defending someone. |
What makes matters worse is that this must be one of the most unevenly called penalties in the league. The vast majority of time (just mean from my own observations), it doesn't get called at all. I've counted guys in the lane for 8-10 seconds all the time. Usually it gets called when refs start getting a lot of complaints about it either generally or with specific players. I've noticed that Shaq seems to get called for it more than most.
Has 82games ever done a most 3 second calls list? |
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deepak_e
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| mateo82 wrote: | | deepak_e wrote: | | There are restrictions to the zone defenses that can be played in the NBA. A defensive player can't be in the lane for more than 3 seconds, unless he's defending someone. |
What makes matters worse is that this must be one of the most unevenly called penalties in the league. The vast majority of time (just mean from my own observations), it doesn't get called at all. I've counted guys in the lane for 8-10 seconds all the time. Usually it gets called when refs start getting a lot of complaints about it either generally or with specific players. I've noticed that Shaq seems to get called for it more than most.
Has 82games ever done a most 3 second calls list? |
Yeah, Yao gets called for a bunch of them as well. It makes sense that the bigger, more visible players will get called for it more than others. Then again, they also tend to be less mobile so maybe that's justified. |
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Harold Almonte
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | The Pace seems to be the same as the NBA, so it isn't really a different tempo? Is it? Why do players say it is played at a much higher tempo? Maybe they mean the NBA in general has faster players/athletes?
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There are differences in clock time. NBA has shorter offensive clock time and a longer game time, but I think the tempo is not a matter of available time, but style that fits with your skills and lets you make up for weaknesses. Internationals (europeans and argentinians, not latins (we) and others colors who plays isolate too) move the ball more, because there is strenght doing that against not defensive disciplined teams and as a make up for their lack of athleticism. Can rules give advantage to a given tempo? I donīt know, maybe yes, but I think coaching has more influence.
sorry my english, Iīm not american. |
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Totality
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Harold Almonte wrote: |
There are differences in clock time. NBA has shorter offensive clock time |
FIBA has 24 seconds offensive clock time, same as NBA.
4 or maybe 5 years ago it was 30. |
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Totality
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Kirk Hinrich on FIBA Ball |
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| Nikos wrote: |
Hinrich: No not really that was all fine. It's just that the international game is more based on team play and ball movement and in the NBA a lot of the guys that we have are used to the illegal defense rule. So they use the isolation to make plays. It's definitely a very different game.
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What does he mean by this exactly? |
FIBA allows you to organise team defense as you wish, without any restrictions, unlike NBA. Many variantions of zone defence will be called as illegal defence in NBA, so americans are confused here that thay can't take isolated plays if opposing team taking "illegal" zone. They just simply don't know how to play against it. |
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