Kidd at 70% assisted team FGs while on court in playoffs. First I've seen to hit that mark. Warriors were doing it more for themselves- B Davis on court just 48% team FGs were assisted, I think 2nd lowest in the playoffs.
Kobe Lakers- Farmar just 34% team FGs assisted, Parker 45% and 38% overall. Welcome back D Fisher.
Speaking of Kobe and shifting the focus to bigtime scorers, can you take Kobe's 115 offensive rating regular season - league average 106.5 * 31.2% usage and adjust for actual team possessions instead of 100 in OR and say that Kobe's offensive game was worth 2.5 points to the Lakers per game over league average? Is that worth his salary? Can you get 2.5 points above league average cheaper in other ways? And this was Kobe's best season on offensive rating. It is still quite valuable. Substitute a league average player in place of Kobe, they'd be at Indiana's point differential- and not selling tickets. But substitute a star paid like Kobe and how many would do better or worse on personal impact on team point differential and wins? 16 guys who played 2000+ minutes had Offensive ratings higher than Kobe's 115.4. http://tinyurl.com/ywlmg5 but none used 20 posssession a game much less Kobe's near 25. Arenas is a close comp. Lakers not on the championship track this way.
With an offensive rating of 125 in 90-91 looks like Jordan was worth more than twice the points above average. And by this method his offense was over half the team's point differential (and he contributed to the defensive edge too.)
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I'm interested because I want to hear people's take on Luol Deng. He posts a 70% assisted FG% in both the regular season and the playoffs but from actual observation, I saw a lot of quick dribbles to free himself after the pass and a little bit of posting up near the end of the season, etc.
I'm trying to find out just how meaningful assisted FG% is, given the broad definition of an assist in the contemporary era.
It's worth noting that Shaq's assisted FG% the last time he scored 27 ppg was 65%, but that everyone and their mom knows that it was basically dump the ball into Shaq and let him iso, his points weren't being created for him by everyone else. The entire offense was geared around getting him touches for isolation plays on the low left block.
Sorry I blurred your interest in player shots that were assisted with my interest in % of team FG assisted.
But the Kobe stuff is somewhat more relevant now.
Wow, Kobe only 13% assisted on his baskets in playoffs.
Dirk 72%, McGrady as playmaker just 33%. Yao 73%, Amare 69%, Marion 79%, James 27%, Duncan 48%, Boozer 67%. Something worth thinking about further. In the end shooting/scoring efficiency is the primary concern but easier, help with creation baskets are nice to be able to get.
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:00 am Post subject:
Without having looked at the numbers, I don't think it means much at all. It's interesting to look at, but the bottom line is efficiency. Assists are a quasi teamwork stat -- players are theoretically working together to score. But, I'm less and less enamored with the stat since I started doing some tracking and noticed how how haphardly assists are awarded -- particularly over-rewarded. _________________ My blog
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:54 am Post subject:
Last year in the NBA, .583 of FG were assisted; but for the 16 playoff-bound teams, it was .595 .
Then in the playoffs, those 16 teams totaled .572; however, since teams played between 4 and 20 games -- and the better teams tended to have higher Ast% -- the average of all teams' rates was .556.
So the drop from .595 to .556 indicates that (595/556=1.075) 7.5% fewer assists were granted. This might be partly due to tougher defenses forcing more 1-on-1 play, and partly due to tighter assist-granting by scorekeepers.
In 5 playoff games, only 38% of LA's FG were assisted. NJ was high, at 71%. _________________ 40% of all statistics are wrong.
I'm interested because I want to hear people's take on Luol Deng. He posts a 70% assisted FG% in both the regular season and the playoffs but from actual observation, I saw a lot of quick dribbles to free himself after the pass and a little bit of posting up near the end of the season, etc.
I think most small forwards (other than point forwards) have about 55% - 65% of their field goals assisted, so Deng's number is not all that far off the norm. He may not be as good at creating his own shot as LeBron or McGrady or Paul Pierce but, as you say, Deng can get the job done when called upon, so I wouldn't read much into that small difference in assisted FG%.
tsherkin wrote:
I'm trying to find out just how meaningful assisted FG% is, given the broad definition of an assist in the contemporary era.
It's worth noting that Shaq's assisted FG% the last time he scored 27 ppg was 65%, but that everyone and their mom knows that it was basically dump the ball into Shaq and let him iso, his points weren't being created for him by everyone else. The entire offense was geared around getting him touches for isolation plays on the low left block.
So just how valuable/accurate is this stat?
I'm not sure I agree with the part about Shaq. It isn't that easy to just "dump the ball" into the post for an iso. Defenses cut off the passing lanes, front the receiver, double team, triple team, switch and otherwise thwart entry passes in every way possible. If a coach simply had to push the [iso deep in the paint] button, there would be no need for play books (and every point guard would average 15 assists per game.)
I love stats like assisted FG%. Unlike the profusion of bloated summary stats which actually reduce detail (and, imo, re-inforce misconceptions), these nuggets from 82games.com provide extra information which can help interpret the official statistics. At the very least, it makes sense to look at assisted FG% when considering PER, which makes an adjustment for an "assumed" assists on every basket -- even when we know no assist occured (a huge source of error.)
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