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freeportkid · Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

Hey Guys,

I'm a longtime reader of this board, but infrequently post. I've just finished editing/writing the inaugural Tar Heel Tip-Off-- a preview annual for UNC basketball.

( http://www.amazon.com/Tar-Heel-Tip-Off-2007-2008-Basketball/dp/1934186155/ref=sr_1_1/102-7660808-2451327?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189092628&sr=8-1 )

This publication contains +/- data, defensive box score stats, shooting by area data, advanced passing stats, etc. We've also done some analysis on the value of experience in the ACC, what recruiting rankings really mean, and how college players develop by position.

Since this is an annual (or hopes to be), I'm always looking for potential contributions for next year's publication. If anyone is interested in UNC basketball or the ACC and/or wants to do an advanced charting project and turn it into an article, please be in touch (freeportkid@nc.rr.com). I have a huge database of UNC and ACC statistics, and can help supply data if anyone is interested in historical research.

I know this is primarily an NBA site, but I also know that many of you are college hoops fans too. Since the best and brightest of the stats community can be found here, I figured I'd post a "call for proposals."

Thanks,

Adrian

HoopStudies · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject:

As a Tar Heel, I'm very glad to see this and will certainly add it to my library.

As to writing, we'll see. I can't speak about college players while I work for a team...
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John Hollinger · Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 79

You should write about a real school, like Virginia. Doing this for UNC is a waste of your time since none of their graduates can read.

freeportkid · Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

We'll include a lot of pretty pictures in case Ralph Sampson gets his hands on a copy.

I do admit that it might be interesting to write a UVa-themed essay on how historically bad the Soroye-Mikalauskas post combo is.

I do use some PER and modified Hollinger Similarity Scores in the book, so hopefully John won't be too offended to have his name linked to a UNC publication.

HeatherA · Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 50

I'm a Carolina grad as well. As a Tar Heel, you might be interested in an article that I co-wrote last year positing that Tar Heels have had the most success in the NBA over the past 60 years:

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1472

Of course, Duke's contribution has been pathetic...

freeportkid · Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

Thanks for the link, Heather.

I remember reading that piece when it came out. If you're interested in discussing a topic for next year's Tip-Off, please let me know. It would be great to have some respected names (and Carolina fans/alums) in the APBRmetrics community contribute to next year's annual.

Mountain · Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Posts: 255

The top dozen schools by pro success of its players all deserve some respect.

Titles of all past players would of course tell a different, fuller story but just looking at current: NBA titles of 12 UNC alumni currently in NBA: 1- Rasheed Wallace; NBA titles of 12 Duke alumni currently in NBA: 0. Not a huge difference. Each has several players on arguably the top 10 contenders so the number of titles might grow in next few years. Other schools can point to more current player titles (Wake Forest, LSU, Kentucky, Florida, Kansas...though some are leading players and some just bit players).

06-07 top 50 on PER

UNC 2
Duke 4 (looks like the most)
Wake Forest 3
Georgetown, Arizona with 2
But it is worth noting, those with no American college experience- 17

Statman · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 79

Here - I'll give you my ACC player rankings from last season (national rank on left out of 2568 players). It's a ratio (100 pretty much being an average D1 player), adjusted for pace, quality of competition, team defense, minutes played in relation to team quality, etc. Let me know what you think. I have every player rated - even the low minutes guys if you want the info (the cutoff for this list was 349 minutes):

Rnk Name Team Frating
6 Al Thornton Florida St. 186
14 Tyler Hansbrough North Carolina 175
25 Sean Singletary Virginia 170
26 Zabian Dowdell Virginia Tech 169
27 Brandan Wright North Carolina 169
30 Josh McRoberts Duke 169
32 Jared Dudley Boston College 166
43 Kyle Visser Wake Forest 162
66 J.R. Reynolds Virginia 156
84 Ty Lawson North Carolina 152
88 DeMarcus Nelson Duke 151
93 James Gist Maryland 151
97 Tyrese Rice Boston College 150
102 D.J. Strawberry Maryland 149
113 Jamon Gordon Virginia Tech 148
120 K.C. Rivers Clemson 147
124 Reyshawn Terry North Carolina 146
128 Javaris Crittenton Georgia Tech 146
146 Mike Jones Maryland 144
156 Trevor Booker Clemson 143
158 Wayne Ellington North Carolina 143
161 Deron Washington Virginia Tech 143
163 Ben McCauley North Carolina St. 142
166 James Mays Clemson 142
176 Thaddeus Young Georgia Tech 141
198 Danny Green North Carolina 140
208 Brandon Costner North Carolina St. 139
217 Ekene Ibekwe Maryland 138
280 Jon Scheyer Duke 134
281 Sean Williams Boston College 134
288 Anthony Morrow Georgia Tech 133
309 Greg Paulus Duke 132
311 Toney Douglas Florida St. 132
327 Bambale Osby Maryland 131
332 Cliff Hammonds Clemson 131
352 Jack McClinton Miami FL 130
361 A.D. Vassallo Virginia Tech 129
365 Isaiah Swann Florida St. 129
385 Brian Asbury Miami FL 128
422 Greivis Vasquez Maryland 127
430 Jeremis Smith Georgia Tech 127
448 Sean Marshall Boston College 126
479 Vernon Hamilton Clemson 124
504 Gerald Henderson Duke 123
510 Deon Thompson North Carolina 123
526 Ra'Sean Dickey Georgia Tech 122
541 Coleman Collins Virginia Tech 122
567 Marcus Ginyard North Carolina 121
607 Jason Rich Florida St. 120
644 Mario West Georgia Tech 118
650 David McClure Duke 118
673 Mamadi Diane Virginia 117
714 Engin Atsur North Carolina St. 116
729 Uche Echefu Florida St. 116
732 Dwayne Collins Miami FL 115
755 Adrian Joseph Virginia 115
757 Denis Clemente Miami FL 115
804 Gavin Grant North Carolina St. 113
836 Shamari Spears Boston College 112
846 Eric Hayes Maryland 112
867 Jason Cain Virginia 112
870 Ralph Mims Florida St. 111
893 Courtney Fells North Carolina St. 111
943 Harvey Hale Wake Forest 110
965 Cheick Diakite Virginia Tech 109
969 Jamie Skeen Wake Forest 109
1008 Michael Drum Wake Forest 108
1020 Ishmael Smith Wake Forest 107
1023 Mouhammad Faye Georgia Tech 107
1099 L.D. Williams Wake Forest 105
1160 Anthony Harris Miami FL 104
1181 Anthony Gurley Wake Forest 103
1184 Jimmy Graham Miami FL 103
1192 Jerel Allen Florida St. 103
1236 Zach Peacock Georgia Tech 102
1277 Raymond Sykes Clemson 101
1283 Laurynas Mikalauskas Virginia 101
1331 Dennis Horner North Carolina St. 100
1406 Sam Perry Clemson 98
1476 Nigel Munson Virginia Tech 97
1589 Wes Miller North Carolina 95
1613 John Oates Boston College 94
1680 Lance Thomas Duke 93
1703 Lewis Witcher Virginia Tech 92
1732 Tyrelle Blair Boston College 92
1757 Marquez Haynes Boston College 91
1806 Tunji Soroye Virginia 90
1843 Raymond Hicks Miami FL 89
1888 Will Harris Virginia 88
1982 Ryan Reid Florida St. 86
2016 Keaton Copeland Miami FL 85
2018 Markus Sailes Virginia Tech 85
2150 James Dews Miami FL 82
2376 Bryan Nieman North Carolina St. 72
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Ben · Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 203 Location: Iowa City

Just got mine. It looks great!