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Who is the best at drawing contact?

 
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MoBettle



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject: Who is the best at drawing contact? Reply with quote

Warning. Kind of a big post. Most of it is the stat.

Background- I was recently involved in a discussion about the refereeing communities supposed favorite son, Dwayne Wade. Some felt that he went to the line so much because of his “star quality,” while others felt it was because he drove to the basket at a very high rate. The theory behind this stat came up. I decided to take it and expand on it.

Free throws Attempted divided by Inside Shots

I calculated inside shots using 82games.com‘s Player Shot Selection table, using the percentage for “Inside,” and multiplied that percentage by the players total shots. (Obviously, the number isn’t exact because it’s only a percentage of 100, but it’s good enough) This seemed like a good stat to use because by and large most foul shots come from drives to the basket and close shots. Someone who is good at drawing contact would accumulate a lot of free throws without taking relatively many inside shots.

I’ll use Dwayne Wade as the example:

Dwayne took 962 total shots, with 38% of them being inside. So that comes out to about 366 Inside Shots. He took 535 FTs. 535/366= 1.46 FTAs/Inside Shots

I then did the other 49 of the top 50 FTA per game guys in the NBA to get some perspective.


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Rank   Name   FTA/Inside Shots
1   Billups   2.979
2   Maggette   2.413
3   Ben Gordon   2.192
4   Dirk   2.163
5   KevMartin   2.055
6   Francis   1.922
7   Bryant   1.900
8   Arenas   1.855
9   Pierce   1.819
10   McGrady   1.649
11   Garnett   1.615
12   Iverson   1.588
13   Rlewis   1.567
14   Iguodala   1.503
15   Wade   1.464
16   Okur   1.459
17   Allen   1.411
18   Crawford   1.395
19   Paul   1.366
20   RJefferson   1.325
21   Hamilton   1.325
22   Bosh   1.315
23   Redd   1.309
24   Hill   1.292
25   Manu   1.281
26   James   1.272
27   Brand   1.269
28   JO'Neal   1.264
29   JoeJohnson   1.199
30   Artest   1.140
31   Marbury   1.126
32   Carter   1.060
33   Butler   1.051
34   Warrick   1.048
35   Gasol   1.036
36   Yao   1.029
37   Duncan   1.025
38   BDavis   1.024
39   Stoudemire   1.008
40   Pachulia   0.935
41   Odom   0.923
42   DHoward   0.919
43   Randolph   0.912
44   Anthony   0.909
45   Ellis   0.844
46   Curry   0.821
47   JoshSmith   0.795
48   GWallace   0.734
49   Patterson   0.629
50   Boozer   0.608


Some thoughts:

- 3 of the top 6 guys have never made an all star team, Francis has lost a lot of rep to say the least, and I don’t think anyone would call Billups a star.

- Billups is really, really good at drawing fouls. Despite only 18% of his shots being inside, he's 25th in the NBA at FTA/game, and is far and beyond the top dog here. It's not even close. The difference between him and #2 is nearly as much as between #2 and #8.

- As many would have guessed on their own, it seems like guards/wings who drive at most effective at picking up fouls. Dirk, KG, Okur, and Bosh, 4 forwards with perimeter tendencies, are the only bigs in the top 25.

- Wade, compared to many of his contemporary elite swingmen, doesn’t seem to draw as many whistles.

Any thoughts? Did someone else already come up with this? If so I apologize.
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Gavin



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's very interesting. I have always believed that Wade gets more calls because he drives more often, it's nice to see that there is something to back up that belief. He's just really good at putting the refs in a position where they have to make a call, and unlike a lot of other players he doesn't seem to get discouraged and start settling for jumpers after a few calls don't go his way.

It seems like a lot of the people who try to knock Wade down a few pegs by painting him as the refs favourite are Mavericks fans who are bitter about the 2006 Finals or Kobe fans who are bitter that Wade is stealing some of Kobes shine.
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Mountain



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good list to see.

This article
http://www.82games.com/locations.htm
says 90% of shooting fouls occur in paint so your approach has that going for it.

Wade is #1 on FT attempts. But he takes 75+% more total FG attempts per 48 than Billups or Magette so that affects the ratio. Wade does rank a little higher in league on FT/FG at knickblogger- 8th than on your list/your cut.

FT attempts / total scoring possessions used would be another way to slice it that is comprehensive and puts those of different FGA and drawn foul /FTA patterns on level playing field.
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davis21wylie2121



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting list, good work.

But as to who would call Chauncey Billups a star? Me. I would call him a star.
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MoBettle



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback guys

I meant as far as Billups not generally being someone you think of as one of the guys that get "star calls." (Wade, Kobe, Arenas, Iverson, LeBron ect.) He does have one of the best Sam Cassell memorial "fake jumper, go into the defender and draw the foul" moves in the NBA though.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: Who is the best at drawing contact? Reply with quote

MoBettle wrote:
...Did someone else already come up with this? ...


It looks really great for something so simple; and it's new to me.

But Shaq should be in this list, shouldn't he? He was 14th in FTA/G (over 40 games).
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Mountain



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there other descriptive stats that havent been given their moment in the spotlight? There was previous mention of that Philly based extended stat list and I have that link around somewhere.

Offensive rebound putback scores and drawn fouls if anyone works to extract them from play by play?

How about player floortime win% - team?

Or best net counterpart by position? I've done quick looks at counterpart FG% allowed, points and presumed opponent PER by some positions but comprehensive would add and give another list to compare against DCS variants and team-results based player defensive ratings.

Best team eFG% and allowed with player on/off?

Best on/off rebounding,assist, turnovers, freethrow changes? Passing and rebounding ratings. Plenty of topics for posts or 82games articles out there.

I've looked at big name shooters crunch or clutch performance but haven't compiled absolute tops for most recent season or looked at breakouts by jump shooting and inside.
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MoBettle



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: Who is the best at drawing contact? Reply with quote

Mike G wrote:
MoBettle wrote:
...Did someone else already come up with this? ...


It looks really great for something so simple; and it's new to me.

But Shaq should be in this list, shouldn't he? He was 14th in FTA/G (over 40 games).


I was going off of ESPN's list, I think you need to play in half the games to qualify, so Shaq just missed by one game I guess.


He's at .767, which would be 48th. 80% of his shots were on the inside, it makes it really hard for him to have a good rating here. Even in 02/03 (Probably the last year of Shaq's prime and the latest 82games goes back) he only had a .880.


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asimpkins



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great list. One potential problem though is that you don't always get the same number of FTA per foul call in the paint. If a player is really adapt at finishing the basket when getting fouled, his FTA per inside shot will go down and he'll drop down this list. Players that never finish when getting fouled will always collect their two FTAs and move up.

Gavin wrote:
It seems like a lot of the people who try to knock Wade down a few pegs by painting him as the refs favourite are Mavericks fans who are bitter about the 2006 Finals or Kobe fans who are bitter that Wade is stealing some of Kobes shine.


I think it goes even beyond Mavericks fans. There's a lot of people that were sure the Mavs were going to cruise through that series, and then found themselves scrambling for an excuse when they ended up so wrong.
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MoBettle



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asimpkins wrote:
Great list. One potential problem though is that you don't always get the same number of FTA per foul call in the paint. If a player is really adapt at finishing the basket when getting fouled, his FTA per inside shot will go down and he'll drop down this list. Players that never finish when getting fouled will always collect their two FTAs and move up.


Does anyone keep track of shooting fouls drawn? If I could get that it would be much more accurate. It would also eliminate the FTs from bonus situations and technicals. (All of which I think would make this list a little more fair for the bigs)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

82games had a study last year with a similar rating as well as numbers (at the time) for shooting fouls:
http://82games.com/fouldraw.htm
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drawing contact is more about drawing fouls rather than shooting fouls isn't it? I've always found it strange that Fouls Drawn isn't captured as standard in NBA box scores, as it is internationally.
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