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MoBettle
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 8
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: Who is the best at drawing contact? |
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Warning. Kind of a big post. Most of it is the stat.
Background- I was recently involved in a discussion about the refereeing communities supposed favorite son, Dwayne Wade. Some felt that he went to the line so much because of his “star quality,” while others felt it was because he drove to the basket at a very high rate. The theory behind this stat came up. I decided to take it and expand on it.
Free throws Attempted divided by Inside Shots
I calculated inside shots using 82games.com‘s Player Shot Selection table, using the percentage for “Inside,” and multiplied that percentage by the players total shots. (Obviously, the number isn’t exact because it’s only a percentage of 100, but it’s good enough) This seemed like a good stat to use because by and large most foul shots come from drives to the basket and close shots. Someone who is good at drawing contact would accumulate a lot of free throws without taking relatively many inside shots.
I’ll use Dwayne Wade as the example:
Dwayne took 962 total shots, with 38% of them being inside. So that comes out to about 366 Inside Shots. He took 535 FTs. 535/366= 1.46 FTAs/Inside Shots
I then did the other 49 of the top 50 FTA per game guys in the NBA to get some perspective.
Code: | Rank Name FTA/Inside Shots
1 Billups 2.979
2 Maggette 2.413
3 Ben Gordon 2.192
4 Dirk 2.163
5 KevMartin 2.055
6 Francis 1.922
7 Bryant 1.900
8 Arenas 1.855
9 Pierce 1.819
10 McGrady 1.649
11 Garnett 1.615
12 Iverson 1.588
13 Rlewis 1.567
14 Iguodala 1.503
15 Wade 1.464
16 Okur 1.459
17 Allen 1.411
18 Crawford 1.395
19 Paul 1.366
20 RJefferson 1.325
21 Hamilton 1.325
22 Bosh 1.315
23 Redd 1.309
24 Hill 1.292
25 Manu 1.281
26 James 1.272
27 Brand 1.269
28 JO'Neal 1.264
29 JoeJohnson 1.199
30 Artest 1.140
31 Marbury 1.126
32 Carter 1.060
33 Butler 1.051
34 Warrick 1.048
35 Gasol 1.036
36 Yao 1.029
37 Duncan 1.025
38 BDavis 1.024
39 Stoudemire 1.008
40 Pachulia 0.935
41 Odom 0.923
42 DHoward 0.919
43 Randolph 0.912
44 Anthony 0.909
45 Ellis 0.844
46 Curry 0.821
47 JoshSmith 0.795
48 GWallace 0.734
49 Patterson 0.629
50 Boozer 0.608
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Some thoughts:
- 3 of the top 6 guys have never made an all star team, Francis has lost a lot of rep to say the least, and I don’t think anyone would call Billups a star.
- Billups is really, really good at drawing fouls. Despite only 18% of his shots being inside, he's 25th in the NBA at FTA/game, and is far and beyond the top dog here. It's not even close. The difference between him and #2 is nearly as much as between #2 and #8.
- As many would have guessed on their own, it seems like guards/wings who drive at most effective at picking up fouls. Dirk, KG, Okur, and Bosh, 4 forwards with perimeter tendencies, are the only bigs in the top 25.
- Wade, compared to many of his contemporary elite swingmen, doesn’t seem to draw as many whistles.
Any thoughts? Did someone else already come up with this? If so I apologize. |
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Gavin
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 1
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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That's very interesting. I have always believed that Wade gets more calls because he drives more often, it's nice to see that there is something to back up that belief. He's just really good at putting the refs in a position where they have to make a call, and unlike a lot of other players he doesn't seem to get discouraged and start settling for jumpers after a few calls don't go his way.
It seems like a lot of the people who try to knock Wade down a few pegs by painting him as the refs favourite are Mavericks fans who are bitter about the 2006 Finals or Kobe fans who are bitter that Wade is stealing some of Kobes shine. |
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Mountain
Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Posts: 199
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Good list to see.
This article
http://www.82games.com/locations.htm
says 90% of shooting fouls occur in paint so your approach has that going for it.
Wade is #1 on FT attempts. But he takes 75+% more total FG attempts per 48 than Billups or Magette so that affects the ratio. Wade does rank a little higher in league on FT/FG at knickblogger- 8th than on your list/your cut.
FT attempts / total scoring possessions used would be another way to slice it that is comprehensive and puts those of different FGA and drawn foul /FTA patterns on level playing field. |
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davis21wylie2121
Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 359 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting list, good work.
But as to who would call Chauncey Billups a star? Me. I would call him a star. |
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MoBettle
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 8
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the feedback guys
I meant as far as Billups not generally being someone you think of as one of the guys that get "star calls." (Wade, Kobe, Arenas, Iverson, LeBron ect.) He does have one of the best Sam Cassell memorial "fake jumper, go into the defender and draw the foul" moves in the NBA though. |
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Mike G
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 1494 Location: Delphi, Indiana
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Who is the best at drawing contact? |
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MoBettle wrote: | ...Did someone else already come up with this? ... |
It looks really great for something so simple; and it's new to me.
But Shaq should be in this list, shouldn't he? He was 14th in FTA/G (over 40 games). _________________ 40% of all statistics are wrong. |
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Mountain
Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Posts: 199
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Are there other descriptive stats that havent been given their moment in the spotlight? There was previous mention of that Philly based extended stat list and I have that link around somewhere.
Offensive rebound putback scores and drawn fouls if anyone works to extract them from play by play?
How about player floortime win% - team?
Or best net counterpart by position? I've done quick looks at counterpart FG% allowed, points and presumed opponent PER by some positions but comprehensive would add and give another list to compare against DCS variants and team-results based player defensive ratings.
Best team eFG% and allowed with player on/off?
Best on/off rebounding,assist, turnovers, freethrow changes? Passing and rebounding ratings. Plenty of topics for posts or 82games articles out there.
I've looked at big name shooters crunch or clutch performance but haven't compiled absolute tops for most recent season or looked at breakouts by jump shooting and inside. |
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MoBettle
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 8
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Who is the best at drawing contact? |
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Mike G wrote: | MoBettle wrote: | ...Did someone else already come up with this? ... |
It looks really great for something so simple; and it's new to me.
But Shaq should be in this list, shouldn't he? He was 14th in FTA/G (over 40 games). |
I was going off of ESPN's list, I think you need to play in half the games to qualify, so Shaq just missed by one game I guess.
He's at .767, which would be 48th. 80% of his shots were on the inside, it makes it really hard for him to have a good rating here. Even in 02/03 (Probably the last year of Shaq's prime and the latest 82games goes back) he only had a .880.
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asimpkins
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 171
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Great list. One potential problem though is that you don't always get the same number of FTA per foul call in the paint. If a player is really adapt at finishing the basket when getting fouled, his FTA per inside shot will go down and he'll drop down this list. Players that never finish when getting fouled will always collect their two FTAs and move up.
Gavin wrote: | It seems like a lot of the people who try to knock Wade down a few pegs by painting him as the refs favourite are Mavericks fans who are bitter about the 2006 Finals or Kobe fans who are bitter that Wade is stealing some of Kobes shine. |
I think it goes even beyond Mavericks fans. There's a lot of people that were sure the Mavs were going to cruise through that series, and then found themselves scrambling for an excuse when they ended up so wrong. |
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MoBettle
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 8
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:54 am Post subject: |
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asimpkins wrote: | Great list. One potential problem though is that you don't always get the same number of FTA per foul call in the paint. If a player is really adapt at finishing the basket when getting fouled, his FTA per inside shot will go down and he'll drop down this list. Players that never finish when getting fouled will always collect their two FTAs and move up. |
Does anyone keep track of shooting fouls drawn? If I could get that it would be much more accurate. It would also eliminate the FTs from bonus situations and technicals. (All of which I think would make this list a little more fair for the bigs) |
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admin Site Admin
Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 677 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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82games had a study last year with a similar rating as well as numbers (at the time) for shooting fouls:
http://82games.com/fouldraw.htm |
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holymoly
Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 37
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Drawing contact is more about drawing fouls rather than shooting fouls isn't it? I've always found it strange that Fouls Drawn isn't captured as standard in NBA box scores, as it is internationally. _________________ .....
60% of the time, it works every time |
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