| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
supersub15
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Posts: 81
|
 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: Rebounding Rate Classification |
 |
|
I haven't seen this done yet (or I might have missed it completely), but I am looking for a player classification for rebound rate, something like this:
17+: Excellent rebounder
12 - 16: Very good rebounder
etc.
If it has been done before, I'd appreciate a link to it. If not, what is the best way to divide the players? Do you account for the position, i.e. a "big" is likely to have a higher RbR than a guard. In that instance, do we have separate classifications for Bigs and guards? What about wing players? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Mountain
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
Posts: 216
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: |
|
|
This is one dataset:
http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2007/jh_ALL_REB.htm
It represents less than half of players. You could create a fuller database.
If you want to use excellent, good, near average, below average, poor as a set of 5 levels you could sort players at each position ( or simplify to PGs, wings and bigs) and divide each group into 5 20 percentile blocks. I'll leave it to you to pursue if you want, your way. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Statman
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
Posts: 79
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Rebounding Rate Classification |
|
|
| supersub15 wrote: | I haven't seen this done yet (or I might have missed it completely), but I am looking for a player classification for rebound rate, something like this:
17+: Excellent rebounder
12 - 16: Very good rebounder
etc.
If it has been done before, I'd appreciate a link to it. If not, what is the best way to divide the players? Do you account for the position, i.e. a "big" is likely to have a higher RbR than a guard. In that instance, do we have separate classifications for Bigs and guards? What about wing players? |
I never get into the dividing into positions for something like rebound rate. I mean, Jason Kidd may be a great rebounder for a PG - but he won't be able to make up for a poor rebounding center. However, a good rebounding center would easily make up for a poor rebounding PG.
There are 5 guys on the court - they all have opportunities to rebound. I say throw them all in a big group and rank them, positions be damned.
_________________
www.goodstats.net |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
John Hollinger
Joined: 14 Feb 2005
Posts: 77
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Last year the average point guard was at 5.8, the average shooting guard was at 6.4, the average small forward was at 9.1, the average power forward was at 13.6, and the average center was at 15.4. Any guard in double digits is a monster; any frontcourt player in single digits probably is named Clifford, and anyone over 20 is threatening to lead the league. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
supersub15
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Posts: 81
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Rebounding Rate Classification |
|
|
| Quote: | I never get into the dividing into positions for something like rebound rate. I mean, Jason Kidd may be a great rebounder for a PG - but he won't be able to make up for a poor rebounding center. However, a good rebounding center would easily make up for a poor rebounding PG.
There are 5 guys on the court - they all have opportunities to rebound. I say throw them all in a big group and rank them, positions be damned. |
Jason Kidd is really one of a kind. His rebound rate is 13.2. The next active PG in rebound rate is Steve Francis at 7.5. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Statman
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
Posts: 79
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| John Hollinger wrote: | | Last year the average point guard was at 5.8, the average shooting guard was at 6.4, the average small forward was at 9.1, the average power forward was at 13.6, and the average center was at 15.4. Any guard in double digits is a monster; any frontcourt player in single digits probably is named Clifford, and anyone over 20 is threatening to lead the league. |
True. But, a 10 rebound rate is still a 10 rebound rate. It's nice to have a guard do it, maybe you can afford to have a little weaker rebounder (but not much) at a "bigger" position, but it still is what it is.
That's why I say throw them all in a pile & let God sort them out - or a statistician with a little time on his hands.
Maybe just go to www.basketball-reference.com, do the search of rebound rate in descending order, & there ya go.
_________________
www.goodstats.net |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mountain
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
Posts: 216
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks for the averages John.
Supersub if you need a full database DavisWylie has one, I think posted in the yahoo file group. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
supersub15
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Posts: 81
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jkubatko
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Posts: 508
Location: Columbus, OH
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
Sorry about that. Now you can.
_________________
Regards,
Justin Kubatko
Basketball Stats! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
supersub15
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Posts: 81
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:27 am Post subject: |
|
|
| jkubatko wrote: |
Sorry about that. Now you can. |
Wow! That was quick. 
Thanks. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Statman
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
Posts: 79
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Justin doesn't mess around.
_________________
www.goodstats.net |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
supersub15
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Posts: 81
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
It's getting confusing to pigeon-hole players when they cross over to 2 or more positions: PG, G, SG, SF, PF, F, C, PF/C
I think I'll try working on a classification for the entier league, irrespective of the position. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
