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Chronz1
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 Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:04 am Post subject: What were the best PF-C Tandems of all time? |
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Been wondering about this for some time
I know Ralph and Hakeem have to be up there, dont see 2 players averaging 20 and 10 on the same teams too much. Duncan and Robinson? Give me your top 5, 10, 15 anything would help. |
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mtamada
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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There's a lot of good ones. Off the top of my head, and not in order, and assuming that you mean one-season tandems (i.e. they didn't have to play together for years and years) how about:
Parish-McHale (though if you count Bird as a PF, Parish-Bird is even better)
Walton-Lucas
Unseld-Hayes
Chamberlain-Baylor (though Baylor could also be called a SF)
Reed-Debusschere
Cowens-Silas (hmm, at this point I think I'm scratching down to the "All Pro" level instead of the "Hall of Fame" level)
I'd guess that in terms of ability, the Robinson-Duncan pair that you already mentioned is the best of all, though Robinson was in his declining years by then.
A couple of other pairs that were well past their prime when they got together, but if we measure by their previous careers are up there: Shaq-Malone and Hakeem-Barkley. |
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Chronz1
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Great list, and yea Im looking for any combination even if its for a single year. Trying to judge them by accomplishments and stats.
Also do you think Ben and Rasheed should be considered?
PS What about Duncans 1st year there, D-Rob was still the Admiral and in my eyes the better player that year. |
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penbeast0
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Might add one of the HOF centers Pettit played with (McCauley or Lovellette) though he won his championship playing center himself.
I'd add Gilmore/Issel to the list; Daniels/McGinnis too . . . the two top centers of the ABA both with great forwards. |
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Ben
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| I think that the 93-94 Admiral-Rodman combination could be added to the list. |
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Ben
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Chronz1 wrote: |
PS What about Duncans 1st year there, D-Rob was still the Admiral and in my eyes the better player that year. |
I'm thinking that this might be #1. Over Duncan's first two years, they were both in the top 3 in win shares. I don't imagine anybody's done better than that. |
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penbeast0
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| Ben wrote: | | I think that the 93-94 Admiral-Rodman combination could be added to the list. |
Didn't they implode with infighting and Rodman's antics? |
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Ben
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| penbeast0 wrote: | | Ben wrote: | | I think that the 93-94 Admiral-Rodman combination could be added to the list. |
Didn't they implode with infighting and Rodman's antics? |
The playoffs didn't go well, but they won 55 games and there wasn't a tremendous amount of talent on the team. Robinson had one of the greatest regular seasons of all time. |
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moneyp
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| penbeast0 wrote: | | Ben wrote: | | I think that the 93-94 Admiral-Rodman combination could be added to the list. |
Didn't they implode with infighting and Rodman's antics? |
That was '94-95, and yes, Rodman went crazy during Game Five of the Western Conference Finals and stopped playing actual basketball. He carried the ball upcourt refusing to pass the ball to Avery Johnson, jacked up threes, stayed in the backcourt while San Antonio moved up trying to score and goofed around with the crowd. After Hill took him out of the game, he took off his shoes and sat on the sideline. Just the weirdest display by an athlete I've ever seen. Don't know why this isn't talked about more. Bob Hill left him out of Game Six and the Spurs were done. |
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Ben
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Olajuwon-Thorpe in 93-94 is a good candidate too. |
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penbeast0
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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raw stats: Pts/reb/ast/bl (combined PER) . . . no pace adjustments
Robinson/Duncan (97/9 42.7/22.5/5.4/5.1 (50.4) (DRob's last 20 ppg)
Parish/McHale (86/87) 43.6/20.5/4.8/4.0 (41.7) (McHale's big year)
Olujawon/Sampson (84/85) 42.7/22.3/4.1/4.7 (38.5) (Ralph only All-PRO)
Walton/Lucas (76/77) 38.8/25.8/6.7/3.9 (41.2) (Walton's only healthy year)
Unseld Hayes (78/79) 32.7/22.9/5.8/2.8 (37.7)
Reed/DeBusshere (69/70) 36.3/23.9/4.5/na (35.1)
Gilmore/Issel (71/72) 54.4/29.0/5.0/na (49.9) (Issel's big year)
Daniels/McGinnis (72/73) 46.1/27.9/4.7/na (42.0)
Chamberlain/Jackson (66/67) 36.1/33.1/9.2/na (36.5) (or Hairston?)
Russell/Heinsohn (61/62) 41.0/33.1/6.6/na (39.4)
Lovelette/Pettit (60/61) 49.9/30.4/6.0/na (45.7) (Lovelette > McCauley)
Anyone wanting to use more advanced analysis is welcome but there wasn't anything of that sort being posted in this thread so thought I would throw something up for people to shoot at. |
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Chronz1
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| penbeast0 wrote: | raw stats: Pts/reb/ast/bl (combined PER) . . . no pace adjustments
Robinson/Duncan (97/9 42.7/22.5/5.4/5.1 (50.4) (DRob's last 20 ppg)
Parish/McHale (86/87) 43.6/20.5/4.8/4.0 (41.7) (McHale's big year)
Olujawon/Sampson (84/85) 42.7/22.3/4.1/4.7 (38.5) (Ralph only All-PRO)
Walton/Lucas (76/77) 38.8/25.8/6.7/3.9 (41.2) (Walton's only healthy year)
Unseld Hayes (78/79) 32.7/22.9/5.8/2.8 (37.7)
Reed/DeBusshere (69/70) 36.3/23.9/4.5/na (35.1)
Gilmore/Issel (71/72) 54.4/29.0/5.0/na (49.9) (Issel's big year)
Daniels/McGinnis (72/73) 46.1/27.9/4.7/na (42.0)
Chamberlain/Jackson (66/67) 36.1/33.1/9.2/na (36.5) (or Hairston?)
Russell/Heinsohn (61/62) 41.0/33.1/6.6/na (39.4)
Lovelette/Pettit (60/61) 49.9/30.4/6.0/na (45.7) (Lovelette > McCauley)
Anyone wanting to use more advanced analysis is welcome but there wasn't anything of that sort being posted in this thread so thought I would throw something up for people to shoot at. |
Thanks for the research man, this will make my blog alot easier to create. But judging from everything everyone said I guess this makes the unamimous top3 Hakeem/Sampson, Duncan/Robinson, and Parish/McHale |
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penbeast0
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:16 am Post subject: |
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they were grouped roughly by era, not by ranking. Those certainly wouldn't be my rankings at all.
(1) Robinson Duncan
(2) by PER . . . Gilmore/Issel
(3) by PER . . . Lovelette/Pettit
I'd take Robinson/Duncan, Wilt and Jackson second personally, healthy Walton/Lucas third, Olujawon/healthy Sampson 4th at best. |
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Pinot
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Oden / Aldridge  |
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