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Roland_Beech
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 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject: Game Charters needed |
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we're exploring the realities of "charting everything" for every game of next season, and while there's still debate on the optimal way to structure a charting team (eg lots of people doing occasional games, a small number of full-timers, etc) I'd like to get a sense of what interest there might be from people to be involved in such a project.
so for those here who might want to dabble in this you can drop us a line at http://www.82games.com/charting.htm
there's likely to be some modest monetary compensation for any playoff work, and then assuming the funding comes in, decent pay hopefully for 05-06 efforts...
[Note due to the volume of response we are getting, please be patient in hearing back, and it may well be we don't use any new people during the playoffs but almost certainly will want some folks for next year] |
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gabefarkas
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| i filled out the form and dropped you a line. crossing my fingers... |
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mtamada
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:11 am Post subject: Re: Game Charters needed |
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The website says | Quote: | | ** Bonus points for those with NBA league pass and Tivo/DVR |
Does one need to have the ability to view NBA telecasts to be a game charter? I don't have cable and thus can view relatively few NBA games, unless they're on tape or DVD. Presumably a game charter needs to be viewing a recorded game anyway, to have the ability to re-view complex plays.
I doubt I'd have the time to be a game charter anyway, just wondering. |
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Roland_Beech
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:52 am Post subject: |
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I just got back from a business trip, so sorry for the delay in responding.
Basically this is more about next season then the current playoffs since there are already a number of charters available in the short term.
Charters will need to be able to record NBA games, although depending on the structure it's possible it might be tons of people doing just a few games each (maybe even as little as one per month). The charting will be incredibly intensive however, and that's really the experiment right now -- is it 4 hours per game, 8 hours?
The data set to collect being discussed would just be mindblowing to all of us here if this does indeed happen, and APBR members would be given high priority in becoming charters, choosing assignments, etc |
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gabefarkas
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:53 am Post subject: |
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well, if you want to reimburse me for league-pass, i think we could basically call it even!  |
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mtamada
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| gabefarkas wrote: | | well, if you want to reimburse me for league-pass, i think we could basically call it even! |
That's an interesting business model right there; one of the things that made DeanO's WNBA defensive boxscore project work was that his "charters" (game statisticians) got free admission to WNBA games. In return, during the game they recorded defensive box scores for DeanO.
For 82Games however, it seems clear that the statistical recording work will be much more extensive, probably impossible for a single person to do live; the charter will have to look at recorded games to chart every play. That's more work and a bigger time commitment per game.
On the other hand, with NBA League Pass, the charter wouldn't have to physically go to the game, they could do the work in the comfort of their own homes and on their own time. (Which could be a disadvantage for some, who might prefer the excitement of attending a live game.)
Here's another possible element of such a quid pro quo business model: how much access would charters get to the resulting 82Games.com data? Including specialized, proprietary data sets? (Not asking 82games.com to give away the store, nor saying that this would necessarily be that big an inducement for charters anyway, but maybe some access to otherwise propietary data could be a part of the business model.) |
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Roland_Beech
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: |
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right, there's no way this stuff happens live
given the burnout rate of some of our charters this season, I'm leaning more to a structure of using lots of people who only have to chart one game a week at most as opposed to a small group of full-timers.
it's likely the monetary compensation will be modest, but there should be some other perks -- working "in the NBA" as partners for a specific team (the most likely funding source at this point), being involved in this mega NBA data collection endeavor, and yes access to data files for research purposes, ability to publicize your own basketball ideas through the site, etc
anyway my apologies to people from this board who have expressed interest since we haven't got back to anyone yet -- the response has been huge and it may be another couple of days before things start getting organized...taping games in the meantime though might be a good idea! |
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Mike G
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:37 am Post subject: |
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I'm imagining teams of 2-3 people charting some games. Then you average their observations. After a while, certain charters will prove more accurate and reliable. You can start ranking your charters. Some might prove reliable on steals, others on assists. You can assign weights to the numbers supplied, according to the charters' strengths.
We will debate the relative worth of a charter who's very reliable with blocked shots, steals attempted, potential assists, etc. High-ranking charters will be teamed with novices. Burnout will be identified by 4th-quarter performance. Crunch charters will get the plum playoff assignments.
Ah, brave new worlds. |
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gabefarkas
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| Mike G wrote: | | I'm imagining teams of 2-3 people charting some games. Then you average their observations. After a while, certain charters will prove more accurate and reliable. You can start ranking your charters. Some might prove reliable on steals, others on assists. You can assign weights to the numbers supplied, according to the charters' strengths. |
so you want to chart the charters? |
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gabefarkas
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| and if so, then who will chart the people who chart the charters? |
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