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Jon Nichols



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:27 pm    Post subject: Suggestions for Basketball-Statistics.com Reply with quote

I'm curious to get people's suggestions on ways I can improve my site, Basketball-Statistics.com. I released the site in September and have experienced moderate growth since then. I've been keeping a daily blog which you can find easily from the main page. My work will also be running at a new site called HoopsDaily. My question for all you smart folks is: how can I improve my site? What am I missing that you would like to see?

Any input you can offer would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jon Nichols
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Mountain



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your site continues to fill out and with Hoops Daily branch out. Asking for ideas is good of course but also trust your instincts.


Maybe you could look to see if there are any patterns in starting lineup composite scores and winning. Correlation of scores by position and winning? Correlation of composite score sequence clusters of most similar sequences with or regardless of position and winning? Importance of top value and bottom values in the starting lineup? I haven't seen this done with performance data by position for lineups and am just starting to look at it myself. You hint at the importance of interactions / patterns in one of your articles and I do think there is a lot to learn about this.


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Serhat Ugur (hoopseng)



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As much as coverage gets more advanced, you lose your web traffic, unfortunately.
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Jon Nichols



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well one thing I may consider doing is shifting from posting something every day to publishing more in-depth pieces every few days. This way I would have time for more insightful research. Unfortunately, like you said, that may hurt traffic more than it helps.
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Mike G



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon, there are a lot of good blogs and other sites out there with pictures, stats, news, etc. What does yours offer that others do not? What makes it one of the 2-3 best, that I'd find the time to read?
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Jon Nichols



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the web site was originally created as a way for me to show off my own previous work, especially the stat I've developed called Composite Score. Now my goal is to promote it as one of the most active advanced stats sites out there. I personally don't create as powerful of numbers as a lot of you guys on here, but I'm up-to-date with all of it and try to use those numbers while at the same time analyzing basketball for the more "common" NBA fan. I don't want to be like just any other basketball site out there, which is something my site might eventually slip into if I don't work on it. I've got some original research coming up in the future, so I'll be sure to promote that and spread the word of my site that way.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon. I'm a big fan of your site and the analysis you bring to the table is top-notch. Both me and my colleague over at Third Quarter Collapse link to your material periodically, so .. know that your information is valued!

With that said, I've noticed that you've begun to post the top Composite Scores for each position, starting at center and moving down a position each day. I was wondering when you were going to update the Composite Score list for everyone? I see that the last time you updated the Top 50 Offensive/Defensive Players pages was on Dec. 31, 2008.

Do you plan on updating your totals more periodically?

Keep up the great work.
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Jon Nichols



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well thank you very much. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out a way of having Composite Score calculated automatically (I'm sure it can be done, I'm just not very technically savvy). So I have to do it by hand, which takes a few days worth of work. I plan on doing it again in a few weeks, so it should be released sometime around the end of February.

Edit: To clarify, I don't actually do any calculations by hand. I just have to input the different components into a spreadsheet manually.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question regarding the calculation of an offensive composite score: to what extent does usage rate play a role? I noticed you use offensive rating, but didn't notice you mentioning anything about usage rate. This came to mind when I noticed that you had Shane Battier as your 5th highest composite score among small forwards. I love Battier, but a large part of his high offensive rating is his extremely low usage rate (10-12%). Does your composite score account for low usage players or would Battier's 117 offensive rating from last season count more favorably than, say, Paul Pierce's 115 offensive rating despite Pierce having a much higher usage? Thanks, I enjoy your site.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For composite score, you said that you get offensive adjusted +/- and defensive adjusted +/- from basketballvalue.com.

Where is that? I see an overall adjusted +/-, but I didn't realize they provided splits into offensive and defensive APM as well. It's something I've been hoping Aaron would add, so if its already there that would be awesome.
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Jon Nichols



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mepanchin wrote:
I have a question regarding the calculation of an offensive composite score: to what extent does usage rate play a role? I noticed you use offensive rating, but didn't notice you mentioning anything about usage rate. This came to mind when I noticed that you had Shane Battier as your 5th highest composite score among small forwards. I love Battier, but a large part of his high offensive rating is his extremely low usage rate (10-12%). Does your composite score account for low usage players or would Battier's 117 offensive rating from last season count more favorably than, say, Paul Pierce's 115 offensive rating despite Pierce having a much higher usage? Thanks, I enjoy your site.


Usage rate plays a pretty small role. PER is one of the three offensive components, so usage is definitely factored into that. Besides with PER, it isn't present anywhere else.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deepak_e wrote:
For composite score, you said that you get offensive adjusted +/- and defensive adjusted +/- from basketballvalue.com.

Where is that? I see an overall adjusted +/-, but I didn't realize they provided splits into offensive and defensive APM as well. It's something I've been hoping Aaron would add, so if its already there that would be awesome.


I use these numbers:

http://basketballvalue.com/topplayers.php?year=2007-2008&mode=summary&sortnumber=85&sortorder=ASC

I assumed that they were adjusted, but looking at it now, they might not be. I should probably take that out...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JNichols42887 wrote:
deepak_e wrote:
For composite score, you said that you get offensive adjusted +/- and defensive adjusted +/- from basketballvalue.com.

Where is that? I see an overall adjusted +/-, but I didn't realize they provided splits into offensive and defensive APM as well. It's something I've been hoping Aaron would add, so if its already there that would be awesome.


I use these numbers:

http://basketballvalue.com/topplayers.php?year=2007-2008&mode=summary&sortnumber=85&sortorder=ASC

I assumed that they were adjusted, but looking at it now, they might not be. I should probably take that out...


Sorry, they're not adjusted and defensive numbers yet. That's on my to do list....

Thanks,
Aaron
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