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Jon Nichols
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DJE09
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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This is a nice summary Jon. Can I ask for two more pieces of information:
1. What proportion of plays have a 'top 20' shot blocker in them?
2. Is the League average the same as the Offensive rating for situations where there is no top shot blocker playing (given the graph I would expect it to be slightly higher, but how much so would depend on answer to Q1)?
I really like this, it automatically makes me wonder about a whole bunch of stuff. Well Done. _________________ Stats are only OK if they agree with what I think |
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basketballvalue
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Yes, very interesting.
Plus, I always like to see when people use the data on basketballvalue for good analysis.
Thanks,
Aaron
PS Sorry I've been quiet lately, I've been a little tied up of late. I hope to be more active again soon. _________________ www.basketballvalue.com
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Jon Nichols
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Wow! Because of one simple typo, those original numbers you saw were off (sorry!). I updated the article to reflect the changes. The typo was actually not including Shaquille O'Neal, who, like in many other areas, had a huge impact. As for your other questions...
1. 17,870 of the 34,358 rows (52.01%) contain a top 20 shot blocker on either the home or away side (obviously there is some overlap).
2. At home, lineups facing an opponent without a top shot blocker had an offensive rating of 109.65. On the road, they were at 105.43.
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tawtaw
Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 28 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting study.
Are you able to discern how many more blocks there were in the games(per 100 possessions) with the top shot blockers?
It seems like if you could see the amount of blocks, verses the net difference in offensive rating, you could have a solid base for a proxy blocks "value." |
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Harold Almonte
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose Impact against top stealers is your next article? I was hoping more correlation between blocks and general defense.
Can you give the top 20 overall defensive lineups? (with considerable playtime of course) |
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Jon Nichols
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Harold Almonte wrote: | I suppose Impact against top stealers is your next article? I was hoping more correlation between blocks and general defense.
Can you give the top 20 overall defensive lineups? (with considerable playtime of course) |
Steals would be a good idea but I wonder if the results would be as strong. A couple of forced turnovers on the perimeter may not have the same effect as an inside presence.
Here is the data you requested...Sorry for the formatting!
HomeLineup DRtg
Billups - Hilario - Kleiza - Martin - Smith 62.75
Brand - Dalembert - Iguodala - Miller - Young 74.56896552
Anthony - Billups - Hilario - Martin - Smith 76.75
Amundson - Hill - Nash - Richardson - Stoudemire 77.08
Ariza - Bryant - Bynum - Farmar - Odom 77.28571429
Collison - Durant - Green - Sefolosha - Westbrook 79.27272727
Collison - Krstic - Sefolosha - Weaver - Westbrook 80.6
Brewer - Korver - Millsap - Okur - Williams 81.5
Bryant - Fisher - Gasol - Odom - Radmanovic 82.4375
Bogans - Howard - Lewis - Nelson - Turkoglu 83.01851852
Brewer - Kirilenko - Millsap - Okur - Williams 83.04
Harpring - Kirilenko - Knight - Korver - Millsap 83.32352941
Ariza - Bynum - Farmar - Odom - Vujacic 84.1
James - Varejao - Wallace - West - M. Williams 84.22727273
Andersen - Billups - Carter - Kleiza - Martin 84.29032258
Daniels - Ford - Granger - Murphy - Nesterovic 84.4
Bosh - Calderon - Kapono - Marion - Parker 84.52941176
Aldridge - Fernandez - Outlaw - Przybilla - Rodriguez 84.64516129
Barnes - Bell - Nash - O'Neal - Stoudemire 85
Aldridge - Fernandez - Frye - Outlaw - Rodriguez 85.66666667
AwayLineup DRtg
Gibson - James - Pavlovic - Szczerbiak - Varejao 64.58332
Howard - Johnson - Lee - Lewis - Turkoglu 69.19414615
Carter - Harris - Hayes - Yi - Lopez 72.247592
Howard - Lewis - Nelson - Pietrus - Turkoglu 78.1582
Bosh - Calderon - Moon - O'Neal - Parker 79.14063846
Blake - Fernandez - Outlaw - Przybilla - Roy 79.78990294
Kirilenko - Knight - Korver - Millsap - Okur 79.96716207
Marks - Paul - Posey - Stojakovic - West 80.36707083
Armstrong - Paul - Posey - Stojakovic - West 80.47617619
Evans - Johnson - Murray - Pachulia - Smith 81.95968077
R. Allen - Garnett - House - Perkins - Pierce 83.85091304
Bell - Bogut - Jefferson - Mbah a Moute - Sessions 85.07935238
Arthur - Conley - Gay - Mayo - Warrick 85.96491053
Artest - Landry - Lowry - Scola - Wafer 86.42855714
Butler - Marks - Paul - Stojakovic - West 86.76187
Fernandez - Outlaw - Przybilla - Rodriguez - Roy 86.90475238
Chandler - Duhon - Harrington - Lee - Robinson 87.17119143
Aldridge - Fernandez - Przybilla - Rodriguez - Roy 87.500005
Dalembert - Evans - Green - Iguodala - Miller 88.35904286
Barea - Bass - George - Nowitzki - Terry 88.61109
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Harold Almonte
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. A lot of hustlers and few blockers.
Would you think Pace might be helping at home? |
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Jon Nichols
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Harold Almonte wrote: | Thanks. A lot of hustlers and few blockers.
Would you think Pace might be helping at home? |
I suppose it's possible. It's weird you don't see more lineups from the Celtics, Spurs, Rockets, etc. Yet we see lineups from teams like the Suns and Raptors. |
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