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Nikos · Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 346

Anyone have a spreadsheet of the current W-L records for each individual NBA player (similiar to the one in Dean Oliver's book)?

Im curious to see some of the %'s for many of the players.

Thanks

kjb · Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 864 Location: Washington, DC

Ed has them:

http://members.rogers.com/edkupfer/nba/nba_2005.htm

You have to do your own calculations if you want to get the win shares type stuff from Dean's book. But Ed has the winning percentages.

Ed **Küpfer** · Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 785 Location: Toronto

I can do this. Gimme a day or so, and lemme find some webspace.

BTW I don't use the bell curve method to caluclate win/loss -- I use simple Pythagorean, which is close enough. And I don't use the exact methods spelled out in DeanO's book to calculate wins -- I change them very slightly. (Basically, I calculate player possessions, divide by Team Possessions/Game, which gives us Player Games. I multiply player games by player pythagorean win% to get player wins. Player Losses is simply Player Games minus player wins)
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Nikos · Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 346

Cool, thanks!

I look foward to it Ed.

Ed **Küpfer** · Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 785 Location: Toronto

All right, I've uploaded a csv to here. Hope that's what you're looking for.
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Nikos · Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 346

Yea thats cool! Only reason I mentioned Dean Oliver's method is because I like to compare it to the player W-L's on Basketball-Reference.com.

Is your W-L drastically different in terms of results from those on B-R.com?

Also Igor or anyone else, how much do you value this type of stat? Is it meaningful IYO, or is it too flawed, given players like Bruce Bowen are not fairly credited for their man defense. Do you feel a great man defender who does not pick up steals to be more valuable than someone who gets a lot of blocks and steals AKA Kirlenko etc.....?

Also, what are STOPS and DPOSS? Who is recording these? Are they valuable or simple calculations of steals and blocks as a rate of how long a player is in a game, and how many potential defensive possesion the player is exposed to?

Is %Team Poss the same as Usage Rate?

Thanks!

Ed **Küpfer** · Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 785 Location: Toronto

Nikos · Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 346

Is there any chance you can post this spreadsheet on your site every week? Or is there a certain worksheet template you can give me that I can make my own based on using DOUG STATS RAW DATA SPREADSHEET?

That would be awesome!

Oh and another thing. Isn't it quite possible that some elite players with poor W-L, make the role players W-L % better because of their presense and the fact that as leaders they see double teams and a drop in efficiency as a result.

Isn't this best to compare only when you are possibly comparing all stars to all stars, role players to other role players etc....?

Ed **Küpfer** · Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 785 Location: Toronto