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bchaikin
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 Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:34 am Post subject: Hollinger All-D Team |
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john came out with his 09-10 all-defense team:
1st team
C - dwight howard
PF - anderson varejao
SF - gerald wallace
SG - dwyane wade
PG - rajon rondo
2nd team
C - ben wallace
PF - josh smith
SF - lebron james
SG - kobe bryant
PG - george hill
3rd team
C - andrew bogut
PF - luc mbah a moute
SF - ron artest
SG - jason kidd
PG - kyle lowry
(he has kidd as an SG as that's who he typically guards on defense)... |
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Mike G
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Ben Wallace has 61 blocks at home and just 19 on the road.
That may be some kind of a record.
He's had 3 or more blocks 9 times, all at home.
In his games w 2 blocks or more, just 3 of 24 are on the road.
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Mike G
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Gerald Wallace gets 1.31 Blk/36 at home and only .60 on the road.
(Ben gets 2.15 and .75)
So in Charlotte, he's almost twice the shotblocker Ben is.
In Detroit, Ben gets 3.5 times as many as Gerald.
Bogut is the same player, home and away. Varejao, too. And Dwight.
| Quote: | | Where is Tyrus Thomas and why not? |
Kyle Lowry's the only part-timer in John's list, and he's gone ~1600 minutes.
Tyrus is under 1200.
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bchaikin
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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a writer for nba.com (john schuhmann) posted his picks for the all-D team, with help from video via synergy:
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/john_schuhmann/04/01/numbers.game.all.defense/
1st team
C - dwight howard
PF - kevin garnett
SF - shawn marion
SG - arron afflalo
PG - rajon rondo
2nd team
C - andrew bogut
PF - anderson varejao
SF - gerald wallace
SG - thabo sefolosha
PG - kobe bryant (he actually listed just guards)
with honorable mention for: ron artest, tim duncan, nick collison, kenyon martin, luc mbah a moute, jermaine o'neal, and kendrick perkins... |
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bchaikin
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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and finally the official all-D teams:
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/05/05/all.defense/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2
all-D 1st team
C - dwight howard
PF - gerald wallace
SF - lebron james
SG - kobe bryant
PG - rajon rondo
all-D 2nd team
C - tim duncan
PF - anderson varejao
SF - josh smith
SG - thabo sefolosha
PG - dwyane wade
the remaining players with at least 5 votes - jason kidd, marcus camby, ron artest, deron williams, kirk hinrich, andrew bogut, luc mbah a moute, arron afflalo, kenyon martin, and kevin garnett... |
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ryan.
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Kobe again? This has come a disgrace.
LeBron > Varajeo? smh |
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bchaikin
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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here's hollinger's 10-11 all-defense team:
1st team
C - dwight howard
PF - kevin garnett
SF - andre iguodala
SG - tony allen
PG - kyle lowry
2nd team
C - andrew bynum
PF - taj gibson
SF - lebron james
SG - ronnie brewer
PG - chris paul
3rd team
C - andrew bogut
PF - kenyon martin
SF - paul pierce
SG - dwyane wade
PG - rajon rondo |
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EvanZ
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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1st teams according to:
1-yr RAPM
C - Howard (2.80)
PF - Garnett (3.6)
SF - Deng (3.0)
SG - Ginobili (2.1)
PG - Lowry (2.1)
ezPM (D100)
C - Howard (4.7)
PF - Garnett (2.4)
SF - James (3.1)
SG - Johnson (2.1) [Tony Allen is +3.8, but only 2500 possessions]
PG - Rondo (0.0)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| EvanZ wrote: | SG - Ginobili (2.1)
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If you count Ronnie Brewer as a guard (bbr says "G/F"), then he's in instead of Ginobili
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EvanZ
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| back2newbelf wrote: | | EvanZ wrote: | SG - Ginobili (2.1)
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If you count Ronnie Brewer as a guard (bbr says "G/F"), then he's in instead of Ginobili |
That would also be true of ezPM, however, I decided only to consider starters. If we're talking about reserves, then Allen, Brewer, and some others could be on the list(s).
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Mike G
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Tony Allen's Stl% of 4.6 is the highest of any player >1500 minutes since Nate McMillan in 1994.
That season by Nate (5.8) is way higher than any before or since. And he actually had more steals than fouls.
Artest got 4.5% at age 22.
(Tony and Nate are/were 29.)
Next best by any current player are 2 by Chris Paul, way down at 3.9 ('08 and '09).
| EvanZ wrote: | 1st teams according to:
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ezPM (D100)
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SG - Johnson (2.1) [Tony Allen is +3.8, but only 2500 possessions]
PG - Rondo (0.0) |
Does this mean no PG was better than zero on D ?
Who is Johnson? Joe?
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EvanZ
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Mike G wrote: |
| EvanZ wrote: | 1st teams according to:
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ezPM (D100)
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SG - Johnson (2.1) [Tony Allen is +3.8, but only 2500 possessions]
PG - Rondo (0.0) |
Does this mean no PG was better than zero on D ?
Who is Johnson? Joe? |
Answer to the second (easier) question, yes, Joe Johnson.
As for the first question, the only PG who is positive on D100 (which, btw, doesn't include defensive rebounds) is Jose Barea at +0.4. Of course, he is a reserve, so I didn't include him on the list. Also, Dallas plays a lot of zone, which might make him an outlier.
Here are the average D100 ratings by position (averaged across all players who had >average # possessions):
PG -2.4
SG +0.48
SF +1.42
PF +0.83
C +1.21
Clearly, this is interesting behavior. You might expect 0's across the board. Relatively speaking, Rondo's net "0" rating is quite good compared to other PG. Steve Nash is -3.3. DJ Augustin is the lowest rated PG at -5.1.
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xkonk
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| EvanZ wrote: |
Here are the average D100 ratings by position (averaged across all players who had >average # possessions):
PG -2.4
SG +0.48
SF +1.42
PF +0.83
C +1.21
Clearly, this is interesting behavior. You might expect 0's across the board. |
In the whole sample of NBA players you might expect a 0, but since you limited it to those who played more than an average number of possessions, you're looking at the players that coaches believe have some value. So it isn't too surprising that the numbers are above 0. The observation that point guards are systematically lower is interesting though, especially if defensive rebounding can't be blamed. Maybe they're being over-penalized for giving up assists from other point guards? |
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EvanZ
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe they're being over-penalized for giving up assists from other point guards? |
So, the question is whether to debit counterpart assists on defense as much as we credit assists on offense. The flip side to what I showed is that point guards average +2.4 on offense (called "O100" in my metric).
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