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| Who is the 2010-11 NBA MVP ? |
| Kobe Bryant, LAL |
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2% |
[ 1 ] |
| Kevin Durant, Okl |
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2% |
[ 1 ] |
| Pau Gasol, LAL |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Dwight Howard, Orl |
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29% |
[ 10 ] |
| LeBron James, Mia |
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32% |
[ 11 ] |
| Kevin Love, Min |
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2% |
[ 1 ] |
| Dirk Nowitzki, Dal |
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8% |
[ 3 ] |
| Chris Paul, NOH |
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2% |
[ 1 ] |
| Derrick Rose, Chi |
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17% |
[ 6 ] |
| Dwyane Wade, Mia |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
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Mike G
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 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: MVP Race 2011 |
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Place your vote and hopefully your reasons.
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back2newbelf
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EvanZ
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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My vote is for Howard. I think Rose is going to win the award for recognition of his high USG rate and lack of any All-Star teammates this season. I think that's a decent argument.
But this just goes to show how little voters/media care about defense.
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greyberger
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Howard should win it. Rose has got it in the bag though. |
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BobboFitos
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I voted for Howard. I agree w/ SVG that Howard has more impact per possession than any other player in the game.
The funny thing is "people" (I suppose casualfan media) view Dwight Howard as primarily a rebounder/defender, however what he does on offense is super elite as well. Not really getting enough credit, I have him as the best player this season. (By a decent margin - enough anyway to make this an easy decision for me)
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Mike G
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Rose has got it in the bag? How, when, why?
Because the Bulls have momentarily got the best record, except for the Spurs?
Boozer, when healthy, is all-League or All-star at least. Noah might be even better. Deng is no slouch. The bench is deep. Do voters pretend they don't know these things?
The standings may shift in the next week or two. Does that change the value of the MVP candidates?
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Mike G
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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At this point it's Dwight with 4 votes, LeBron 2, Dirk 1, Pierce 1.
I got Rose's historic statistical similars -- | Code: | dif yr per-36 rates Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk
.00 2011 Rose, Derrick 28.0 4.5 8.0 1.6 1.0 3.3 .6
.33 1996 Anfernee Hardaway 25.0 4.6 7.1 2.0 2.1 2.8 .5
.38 2002 Jerry Stackhouse 23.8 4.5 5.9 2.2 1.1 3.7 .5
.40 2005 Kobe Bryant 27.5 5.7 5.6 2.5 1.2 3.8 .8
.42 2004 Tracy Mcgrady 26.4 5.7 5.4 1.8 1.3 2.5 .6
.42 1996 Terrell Brandon 24.9 4.3 7.7 2.1 1.9 2.0 .5
.42 2006 Tony Parker 25.7 3.8 7.6 2.2 1.1 3.4 .1
.42 1970 Jerry West 27.2 3.6 6.4 2.0 2.1 3.4 .3
.43 2005 Dwyane Wade 26.6 5.3 6.7 2.9 1.5 4.1 1.0
.46 2006 Lebron James 30.8 6.6 6.1 2.0 1.3 2.8 .7
.52 1967 Oscar Robertson 24.9 4.1 8.1 2.5 2.4 3.5 .4
.52 2005 Allen Iverson 28.3 3.7 7.3 1.7 2.2 4.2 .1
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Only the most similar season per player.
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back2newbelf
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| bbstats wrote: | | Paul Pierce is the leader in RAPM times Minutes%. So...yeah. |
I'll have an update tomorrow, I don't think that statement is true anymore
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BobboFitos
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike G wrote: | Rose has got it in the bag? How, when, why?
Because the Bulls have momentarily got the best record, except for the Spurs?
Boozer, when healthy, is all-League or All-star at least. Noah might be even better. Deng is no slouch. The bench is deep. Do voters pretend they don't know these things?
The standings may shift in the next week or two. Does that change the value of the MVP candidates? |
bolded is pretty much true. they chose not to believe chicago is really deep.
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greyberger
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike G wrote: | Boozer, when healthy, is all-League or All-star at least. Noah might be even better. Deng is no slouch. The bench is deep. Do voters pretend they don't know these things?
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That's a pretty good way of putting it. Boozer and Noah aren't mentioned unless it's in reference to their injuries. Deng is completely overlooked, as are the key bench players. They might as well be invisible.
There are some good examples of the conventional MVP wisdom in this recent Ric Bucher chat. Ric has a vote, doesn't he? |
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BobboFitos
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| greyberger wrote: | | Mike G wrote: | Boozer, when healthy, is all-League or All-star at least. Noah might be even better. Deng is no slouch. The bench is deep. Do voters pretend they don't know these things?
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That's a pretty good way of putting it. Boozer and Noah aren't mentioned unless it's in reference to their injuries. Deng is completely overlooked, as are the key bench players. They might as well be invisible.
There are some good examples of the conventional MVP wisdom in this recent Ric Bucher chat. Ric has a vote, doesn't he? |
In a nutshell:
| Quote: | dominick w (arab alabama)
Why is dwade not getting more mvp love?his stats are very close to Lebrons and hollinger has him ranked high yet no one talks bout him for mvp. very sad in my oppinon
Ric Bucher
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I would hope because MVP is not about statistics. |
Apparently there are a select few among us who are so amazing in terms of their basketball instincts and selection, I suppose, that they can ignore stats and make declarative statements about the relative value of those players. Maybe one day I will be that amazing!
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Mike G
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:35 am Post subject: |
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I'll go out on a limb and guess that Ric Bucher refers to statistics when they support his observations. Others among us may have a preconception based on stats, and confirm this via observation.
Bucher's observation tells him that Orlando has much more talent around Dwight than the Bulls have in support of Rose. But a response comes in claiming the Bulls have 3 players (same 3 I named) who are better than anyone around Dwight. Bucher seems to agree, and so he has made no argument whatsoever. Just that he likes Rose.
The article was from awhile ago, right after the deadline trades. This Rose For MVP groundswell has taken me by surprise. Guess I need to dig more for these sentimental sea changes.
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Mike G
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:45 am Post subject: |
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To get the mvp candidates, I just multiplied 5 stats:
My own eWins/484 and eWins/82 games; PER; b-r.com's WinShares and WS/48.
Everyone who is Top 10 in any of e82, PER, or WS is included.
| Code: | smvp statistical mvp e484 e82 PER WS ws48
2693 James,Lebron 2.30 14.5 26.7 12.9 .234
2297 Howard,Dwight 2.16 13.1 26.3 12.9 .239
1546 Paul,Chris 1.80 10.7 24.5 13.0 .251
1387 Rose,Derrick 2.09 13.1 23.3 10.8 .201
1382 Wade,Dwyane 2.05 12.2 25.1 10.7 .206
1322 Love,Kevin 1.88 11.5 24.5 11.5 .217
1310 Gasol,Pau 1.75 11.1 23.3 12.7 .229
971 Durant,Kevin 1.81 11.3 23.9 10.3 .192
962 Nowitzki,Dirk 1.89 9.5 24.3 9.8 .224
920 Bryant,Kobe 2.06 11.9 23.7 8.9 .178
673 Westbrook,Russel 1.92 11.5 23.7 8.1 .159
664 Aldridge,Lamarcu 1.63 11.0 21.8 10.0 .171
652 Ginobili,Manu 1.75 9.1 22.1 9.2 .202
652 Randolph,Zach 1.79 10.3 22.2 9.0 .176
576 Griffin,Blake 1.82 11.6 21.7 8.4 .149
562 Pierce,Paul 1.55 9.1 19.4 10.2 .202
426 Stoudemire,Amare 1.76 10.9 23.0 7.2 .134
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Pretty sharp dropoff from 10 to 11, and I think only 10 can be in a poll here.
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kjb
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:25 am Post subject: |
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If I had a vote, and I had to cast it today, I'd cast it for Lebron, who I think is having a terrific season. No way he'll get it since he's officially the latest "bad guy" in the grand tradition of pro rasslin'.
I reserve the right to change my mind at the completion of game 82, however. |
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