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silverbird5000
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hey everyone-
I have an off-topic question that I was hoping to get some help with, relating to the general method behind adjusted plus-minus modeling. While I understand adj. plus-minus ratings in the abstract, I don't have much experience with the nitty-gritty regression work, so you'll have to forgive the simplicity of the question. Here goes:
When you first set up your regression model, you have to control for the quality of a player's teammates and opponents. How exactly do you measure their quality? You can't use their adjusted plus-minus rating, because you haven't calculated those yet. So do you use their unadjusted plus-minus ratings. In other words, what exactly are you using for covariates when controlling for teammate/opponent quality?
Again, sorry to intrude with such a basic question. And thanks in advance for the assistance. |
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Ryan J. Parker
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 711 Location: Raleigh, NC
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silverbird5000
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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I've read those instructions on counthebasket.com and, if I understand them correctly, the author derives the values of his independent variables using a file downloaded from basketballvalue.com - specifically, the AdjustedPM variable from the playerstats file. In other words, he controls for the quality of teammates and opponents using adjusted plus-minus ratings that have already been calculated. What I want to know is: how do you calculate adj. +/- without knowing what the other players ratings are? Do you use unadjusted +/-, or something else?
Does that make sense? |
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Ryan J. Parker
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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You don't get an adjusted +/- rating until you run the regression.
Before you run the regression, all you have is a bunch of data that specifies who is on offense, defense, and what the "lineup" ORtg was during that time period. _________________ I am a basketball geek. |
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silverbird5000
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, I see. So, when you say "who is on offense/defense", I assume you mean that each player (P1 through P722 in the counthebasket excel file) is coded as a dummy variable, depending on whether they are on the court. In other words, it's basically the functional equivalent of a linear fixed effects model - it's just a normal OLS regression, but with 722 dummy variables. I thought that might be the case, but I wasn't quite sure. With all that's been written about adj. +/-, there isn't a whole lot out there describing the actual model. At least not in the news coverage and blogs.
Anyway, thanks for the help - it's much appreciated.
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Ryan J. Parker
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, you end up with a bunch of zeroes for all the players except for those 10 on the court. _________________ I am a basketball geek. |
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silverbird5000
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Cool. Thanks again! |
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